Jim, 

I'm sorry to hear about your crash and I hope that you heal well and 
quickly. 

I'm also tall - ride a 65 cm Clem and 66-68 cm road bikes. What bars do you 
have on the Clem now? I ride a 65 Clem with Chocomoose, they feel better 
than the Bosco to me, but still are quite upright. I'm not so sure that 
putting drops on the Clem will do that much in changing the center of 
gravity unless you plan on making the bars overall a lot lower than the 
saddle and always riding in the drops, and even then it's not going to make 
that much of a difference. How much do you think drops will lower your COG? 
maybe 6" or a foot? Will that make a real difference in a crash like that? 
I'm not sure it would. 

Had it rained a fair amount in the days prior to your ride and crash? If 
not, there might have been more oil on the road, making it slippery. Texas 
rain is, I'm guessing, not quite the same as western Oregon, 
condition-wise. In the case of your crash, I'm not sure that drops would 
make much difference in breaking a fibula or not -- after all, you can't 
get much lower than that on the leg without breaking your foot, so the bar 
height likely did not play a major role if at all. 

In my experience getting back on the bike once healed and overcoming 
stiffness caused by excessive caution (paired with as sensible level of 
caution, still!) is the answer to post-crash jitters. 

All the best, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 






On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:28:31 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh dang - so sorry for you. Sounds like you are on the road to recovery so 
> that’s what counts. But, why do you think this happened? Just due to the 
> wet pavement?
> Heal well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 15, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Jim Bronson <jim.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
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