George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice solid 
colors and I think generally shorts are too long! 

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike very 
> similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim brakes. 
> Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. 
>
> Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more 
> here 
> <https://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/Tour_of_the_Alps/2008/index.html>
> ). 
>
> [image: xnemj6.jpg]
>
> I'm not sure what make of frames he was riding in this era. But after 50 
> years of touring thousands of miles every summer in Italy, Switzerland and 
> France (in addition to the long rides in California) I can't see him 
> switching up and running racks or a rando build. He was famously ornery and 
> I think he had his system right where he wanted it. He'd tour with a 
> Carradice and stayed in hotels along the way (many with friends and 
> families he'd met in the 1950s). 
>
> As for frame material, this is of course a guess, but I'd wager he'd stick 
> with steel. He rode well into the carbon era. As Tom shared in the Radavist 
> article today Brandt would get a new frame every few years, worried about 
> damage or fractures. He chose yellow paint for his bikes because he thought 
> it was the best for highlighting damage. I could see his familiarity with 
> steel keeping him on steel frames. And I could see the possibility of 
> catastrophic failure keeping him from carbon. 
>
> Regarding helmets, I don't think Brandt ever wore one. He probably shared 
> an explanation for this back on rec.bicycles.tech but that's way before my 
> time. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:55:43 AM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> True.  I remember those days.  The most you see in one or two of those 
>> photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks 
>> like he has a mountaineering helmet.  Another thing I notice is much 
>> shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. During 
>>> Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley <lco...@brph.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
>>>>> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
>>>>> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
>>>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's Radavist 
>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/conversations-with-tom-ritchey-part-two-the-influence-of-jobst-brandt/>
>>>>>  article 
>>>>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
>>>>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>>>>>
>>>>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
>>>>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
>>>>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>>>>>
>>>>> Take it away if you wish, 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
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