Regarding ease of install on the 1up: It uses a wedge system so the 'bolt on' and off is extremely easy and quick, especially if you don't care to use the lock. But the lock is just a through-pin with a cap so that is also very quick and easy.
As far as handling it goes, I believe it is pretty light weight for what it is (i have not compared it to other racks), but big/heavy/bulky is kind of the nature of the beast with a platform rack. The two bike isn't too bad but certainly if you'll be using it as a 3 or 4 it is cumbersome to move. If using the original version (not the equip-d) and plan to use it in 3/4 bike mode often, the extended lever deal to use the tilt function is probably worth the money. I don't find it difficult to reach underneath in 2-bike mode. Brian On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:51:35 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote: > I has pulling this together last night and forgot to hit send... > > For $50 1 Up also offers a front wheel stop add-on for use with fenders... > https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/ > > Maybe the wheel stop and the fender pads lightly secured would be a good > solution, but that also adds around $80 per bike on top of the rack cost. > > The Swagman looks nice and priced well below a 2-bike 1 Up Heavy Duty, and > Jason can vouch for it. I think if I'd known about the Swagman, I might > have bought it over the 1 Up only to save some $$$. > > A couple of things to consider, the Swagman is rated at 35 lb per bike, > and it's limited to 2 bikes. The 1 Up Heavy Duty is off-road rated and can > expand to carry up to 4 bikes with a total carry capacity of 200 lb. The > rack itself weighs 46 lb it's not light, but manageable. I find the latch > system to raise and lower the rack kinda difficult to operate. The more > expensive 1Up Equip-D seems much more streamlined and easier to operate. > Also expandable to 4 bikes. If money isn't an issue I'd spring for > the Equip-D. > > It might be worth comparing 1Up to the Saris MHS, which seems more of an > apple-to-apple situation in terms of design. > https://saris.com/products/mhs-3-1-base-2-hitch > > The 3-bike Saris MHS package is $1300, there was a YouTube review I > watched that stated that the rack with 2 sleds weighs around 100 lb also I > can't seem to find any fender add-ons. > > I suspect under normal driving conditions the Swagman with 2 heavy Rivs > might be fine, however, I'd be a bit more cautious about longer off-road > trips. The 1Up is definitely a fast set-it-and-forget-it solution. Loading > and unloading a bike takes little to no time. But again, the latch to raise > and lower the rack is a bit of a pain in the butt. The Equip-D solves that > issue. > > Last winter I drove to South Florida from Western MA with my Tanglefoot > and my wife's Hogsback strapped to the back of a RAV4 with the Saris Bones > rack. The Bones worked fine, but I was in constant fear that at any moment > the straps would fail and our bikes would end up under an 18-wheeler. After > that, my neighbor who is a single-speed mnt bike racer and competitive > bikepacker (recently completed the Vermont Super 8 for the second time) > suggested the 1Up, his is over 10 years old without any failures or fixes > used in tough conditions. > > I'd say the Swagman isn't a big investment for someone to give it a go, > the 1Up is way more of an investment. You could probably sell the Swagman > on CraigsList fairly easily if it didn't work out. > > Hope some of this helps. > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote: > >> Great suggestions all. Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight >> for my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc. The other bike will most >> likely be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight >> limit. >> >> Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit. Max, do you have >> a picture on the rack? Does it stabilize the frame? Where? I see >> something in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it >> attaches to the bike in the middle. >> >> The 1up price and fender cushions concern me. I have the SKS plastic >> fenders and don't want to break them. >> Thank you everyone for your suggestions. >> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >> >>> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and >>> then a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with >>> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs >>> to. We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes >>> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) >>> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount >>> >>> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote: >>> >>>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions. >>>> >>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers <greentea...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, >>>> don't waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a >>>> single-bike heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 >>>> bikes, with each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs. >>>> >>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/ >>>> >>>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per >>>> wheel: >>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/ >>>> >>>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders >>>>> and the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if >>>>> you have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution >>>>> that keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging >>>>> together. The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on >>>>> my full coverage rear fender. What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s >>>>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore. >>>>> >>>>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step >>>>> throughs/mixtes. >>>>> >>>>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any >>>>> luck with those? >>>>> >>>>> Toshi in Oakland >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard <jacob...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. >>>>>> My 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with >>>>>> an >>>>>> xl Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. >>>>>> >>>>>> <image0.jpeg> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jacob >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My >>>>>> Küat NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and >>>>>> racks… >>>>>> but I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my >>>>>> Medium >>>>>> Gus at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS <swanso...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too. It's spendy, but >>>>>> well made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday >>>>>> (all >>>>>> have fenders). >>>>>> >>>>>> Joyce >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my >>>>>>>> fendered Betty. Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for >>>>>>>> fenders. >>>>>>>> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step >>>>>>>> through. >>>>>>>> This isn't for my car. I don't like to drive. 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