These might not be super pack able but they aren’t bad. They work extremely 
well if you know conditions will be soft. Completely worth it for some 
areas.  

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On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 4:39:38 AM UTC-8 ascpgh wrote:

> Lots of nice intellectual exercises for the problem of tent line anchors 
> when in deep sand once you reach the conclusion that regular ones don't and 
> won't work.
>
> Climbers in the snow use flukes as do recovery specialists, often in gangs 
> to distribute force from the primary line. I've seen a crew moving a Land 
> Rover mired in a peat bog doing this with five or six. 
>
> Considering the brevity of mass necessary for bike camping something like 
> a wide rectangle of cloth, short ends connected by a loop, that you fill 
> with sand, in a pit you've dug in the sand, then buried in its filled shape 
> with a rope making a yoke between the two ends loops. 
>
> These could be bandanas with shoelace (holds temporary knots better than 
> accessory cord) and actually be less weight and bulk than regular stakes 
> yet alone the screw and fluke gizmos the internet will sell you. 
>
> If surprised and unprepared in the setting of sand otherwise, I've found 
> that a branch, buried in the sand works pretty dang well. The more 
> convoluted and leafy, the better it interacts with the sand and holds both 
> steady and surge loading.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 6:44:31 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Moving this over from Johnny's 'Fitting the Hunqapillar' thread and in 
>> response to Jay's inquiry about my essential packing list for touring. 
>>
>> Of course, some of it depends on the nature of the tour itself: climate, 
>> remoteness, and goals for the trip. For example, on the Great Divide, I 
>> packed my tenkara rod and for the Cabo loop, I swapped it out for a mask 
>> and snorkel. When I rode the Annapurna Circuit I didn't pack shelter or 
>> kitchen as I stayed in tea houses and ate dahl bat. 
>>
>> As examples, here are packing lists from the two very different trips 
>> mentioned above. 
>>
>> The Great Divide (2018) 
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ouCYzQyFddgBy5eoBP0jqZnWAWnxwKG_/view?usp=sharing>
>>
>> The Cabo Loo (2023) 
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKw5jjIsqOsMEuArUl2WWNW4ChmJsWBK/view?usp=sharing>
>>
>> Sadly, the photos are the same, but the Cabo Loop list is more 
>> representative of what I've learned that I'd rather not be without on any 
>> journey. 
>>
>> The clothing in the Great Divide list was basically cut in half before I 
>> left- where there are 2s, I kept 1. I did retain both pairs of sandals- a 
>> small luxury after a long day in the saddle. Neither did I end up carrying 
>> so many water bottles, and I have since swapped out the MSR gravity filter 
>> for a Steri-Pen UV filter. 
>>
>> Didn't take my full spice kit on the Baja Divide because I'd planned to 
>> live on fish tacos the whole time (very tricky in the mountains!). I no 
>> longer take the Nikon as my iPhone 8 takes fine snaps, I leave the Garmin 
>> GPS as I use GaiaGPS on my device, and I've swapped out my tripod stool for 
>> a lighter Japanese folding stool. 
>>
>> I love my Big Agnes CopperSpur tent but wanted to spend some time getting 
>> good at setting up my Mountain Laurel Designs Trailstar tarp in the deep 
>> sand of Cabo where tent stakes are useless. 
>>
>> As far as essentials, hmm? My Marmot sleeping bag, a water bottle, my 
>> tool roll, down jacket, wool undies, bandanas, rain gear, and camp slops.
>>
>> Anyways, that's my thinking on packing on wilderness-focused tours. 
>>
>> I'd love to hear what you've gleaned from your experience and what you 
>> consider your essentials when heading into the mountains.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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