Hi, I share the thoughts of Tom. I also have both a 51 Toyo Atlantis and a 50 MIT Atlantis. Although, I have used by Toyo Atlantis during my 2016 TransAm and it performed well with a fully loaded gears. My only cons on my Toyo is the toe clip overlap which is annoying for me specially when grinding up slowly uphills. I am by default a slow rider so toe clip often happens more frequently than other riders.
When I got my MIT, I feel the difference is it is more stable than my Toyo. And of course, no more toe clip overlap :-) I have not yet ridden my MIT on long tours. As mentioned by others, since my MIT Atlantis is very much longer than my Toyo, it could be a challenge finding boxes after a long tour. Regards, Ed Fausto Manila, Philippines PS Even with the toe clip overlap on my Toyo Atlantis, I will still keep it due to sentimental reasons after my 2016 TransAm On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 10:57:12 AM UTC+8 Tom Horton wrote: > Re my toyo atlantis and my mit expect there s a bit of > sentimentality/long familiarity involved with the toyo > > Before i built the mit atlantis up for trail riding i had a drop bar on it > and did a few five or six day tours not heavily loaded (carrying maybe > 25-30 pounds if stuff) it rode great Never felt i wouldn t have gone > further on it > > But there s something about that massive toyo 68 a frame nowhere near > maxed by my own 6-5 frame > > I do not however think i d like it as much as the mit on anything > resembling technical trail > > So a do everything atlantis? The mit perhaps > > Also just starting to explore road and off road possibilities of a clem L > 64 but that ll be another story😊 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 4, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My experience is limited to an early Waterford All Rounder, plus MIT > Atlantis and Appaloosa. My verdict as a guy who didn't trail ride any of > them: the shorter bike felt a little more maneuverable in urban riding but > not enough to offset the comfort of long chainstays and "get them bars > higher" headtube on the MIT bikes. When I had my custom built I asked for > the new stuff. > > > [image: Screenshot_20230304_121454.jpg] > > On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 12:38:22 PM UTC-8 tylerj...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Edit: Anyone with experience riding the Toyo Atlantis, and the Joe >> Appaloosa, feel free to chime in. We are very limited on information >> throughout the internet >> >> Thanks, Tom, that's quite the garage you have there, and you are quite >> the resource! So, are you saying that, for roads and long touring, you >> would chose the Toyo, and trails, you would choose the Atlantis 3? Is this >> because you have more experience/sentiment on the Toyo? I have read many >> people mentioning the lack of whippy-control on single tracks, and I wonder >> if this is really an issue/gripe, or just a hot topic about the geometry. >> Because to me, the side profile of the bike looks super cool and unique >> with that long chainstay, it reminds me of those drag-racing motorcycles >> you see on the salt flats. The new chain stay makes me feel like Rivendell >> is either sitting on some new futuristic frame design or if it compensating >> for carrying heavy loads, and adding control. The Atlantis 3 makes me want >> to buy a set of knobby tires and go climb a mountain, which makes me wonder >> how people are liking it for the long haul, Youtube only has "Bike Checks," >> I want to know what the bike is that people are stuck on, like, "gun to the >> head- which one are you choosing". The Allrounder toyo/#2 Atlantis are >> clearly legends, and much cheaper with the addition of the new Atlantis 3. >> >> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 7:03:03 AM UTC-7 Tom Horton wrote: >> >>> I have a toyo atlantis 68 and a few years ago added an mit atlantis >>> 64....what I can tell you is that whenever I'm doing an extended road tour >>> the old toyo remains my go to....and I have a 64? appaloosa too. I have >>> refitted the mit atlantis with bullmoose bars and knobbies and love it for >>> riding forest roads and general trail use (nothing real technical). would >>> not part with any of my rivs right now, but if I were taking off for cross >>> the country tomorrow, it'd be on the toyo (set up pretty standard with drop >>> bars and racks). >>> >>> I'm guessing either way you'll end up pretty happy. >>> >>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 2:40:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote: >>> >>>> [image: 013DB9DE-6439-4B56-BC81-37D17806CEAA.jpeg]I, too, am >>>> interested in hearing more from someone who’s had the good fortune to have >>>> ridden both. I first fell in love with the 2, but bought in with the >>>> latest >>>> iteration and have no regrets. Then again, I’ve never ridden the last one >>>> so perhaps I don’t know what I’m missing. >>>> >>>> What I *can* tell you is that I love my MIT. It’s comfortable and does >>>> feel like the long Cadillac you mentioned, Tyler. I’ve heard from more >>>> than >>>> one person that tight, technical singletrack isn’t great for the long >>>> chainstay Atlantis. I ride a fair share of singletrack here in San >>>> Francisco & in Marin, but it’s not all that technical or tight quarters. I >>>> mostly find myself in more wide open spaces, both paved and unpaved. The >>>> Atlantis is perfect for that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:35:26 PM UTC-8 tylerj...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am searching for a used Atlantis as my introductory first, >>>>> Rivendell, during my fall into the rabbit hole of the internet and bike >>>>> opinions. I have been steered toward the newer model Atlantis, but the >>>>> Atlantis 2's are cheaper and more readily available. I want to know >>>>> whether >>>>> anyone has ever ridden the Atlantis 2 & 3? I am looking for honest >>>>> opinions >>>>> on the frame geometry and ride feel. I like the idea of riding a long, >>>>> old, >>>>> vintage Cadillac of a frame unless it is very limiting. The newest >>>>> Atlantis >>>>> has a very long chain stay, and I am curious as to how this compares with >>>>> the older models. I have a large interest in loaded touring and riding >>>>> fire >>>>> roads here in Montana, but I mostly ride roads and lazy gravel rides. I >>>>> am >>>>> looking at an Atlantis 2 (not local at all) with 26" wheels. 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