i will say any bike with a top tube as opposed to a swooping tube is not 
something i’d recommend for a child carrier (if back seat is the eventual 
considerat) the ability to mount goes down severely when there’s a live 
being back there. unless you’re doing yoga and stretching regularly i’m 
just about sick of using my yepp in the back. i know you’re asking about 
the front but just piggy backing off the above statement 
On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> Congratulations! How many humans do you ultimately see yourself toting 
> around? If only one, the Rosco Baby is great (if you can find one). I asked 
> myself the same question, and when I decided I was going to add >1 humans, 
> I bought an Appaloosa. I'm quite glad I did. Keep in mind that the reach is 
> not the only factor. In my experience, simply raising the child seat on the 
> stem is more effective at avoiding knee strike. Consider a low or negative 
> rise handlebar and the extra exposed stem length is plenty to keep your 
> knees free of the seat. This frame begs to be loaded, front and/or rear. So 
> from this point of view, unless you'd really like step-thru functionality, 
> it doesn't really matter which bike you choose as long as it is somewhat 
> stout and it fits you. Once my kids outgrew the weight limits on the seats 
> and our third roommate arrived I said "screw it I'm getting a cargo bike."
>
> [image: bike.JPG]
>
> Bones
>
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:17:39 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I spoke to Will about the Rosco Baby and he told me the new Clem's 
>> are the closest thing to them. Big difference being that tubes in the Rosco 
>> Baby are burlier. 
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:52:52 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Laing, Slin and Paul!
>>>
>>> In 2016 Riv listed the Clem L as follows:
>>> size 59 has an ETT of 64
>>> size 65 has an ETT of 67 
>>> both with STA and HTA of 71.5
>>>
>>> Paul, I wonder if yours was a newer version with an even longer 70cm ETT!
>>>
>>> I found this diagram for a 52 Rosco Baby, which shows a whopping 72.5 
>>> ETT! The main difference are the 70.5 HTA and the STA at 68 - I believe the 
>>> latter is a big part of the expanded top tube. i wonder what's the ETT on 
>>> the 58 Baby?
>>>
>>> The 56 Susie shows an ETT of 68.5 on the website, a bit longer than the 
>>> diagram I found below but still well below than the Rosco baby. Anyone has 
>>> experience with a front load on a Susie? Yeah, I'm looking for excuses to 
>>> buy Ryan's bike ;) My wife has a small Susie and it's a great bike.
>>>
>>> Max
>>> [image: IMG_0033.JPG]
>>> [image: 56cm susie.png]
>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:10:12 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>>>
>>>> I had a 64cm 2021 lime-olive Clem L and it had a 70cm effective top 
>>>> tube. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 10 April 2023 at 14:15:14 UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Laing is right that the latest Clem L has a much longer top tube than 
>>>>> the Clementine, but it's not 4.5 inches longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max - Bosco bars are a great for getting more space for you and the 
>>>>> baby. Sizing up on a Clem for me has worked great to get space for my 
>>>>> knees 
>>>>> with the baby up front too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 12:53:24 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Clementine and a Rosco Baby. BIG, BIG difference. The Rosco 
>>>>>> Baby Effective Top Tube is about 4-1/2 inches longer that the 
>>>>>> Clementine. 
>>>>>> 725mm for the Rosco Baby 52cm, 610mm for the Clementine 52cm. The 
>>>>>> current 
>>>>>> Clem may be slightly different than the original Clementine, but not 
>>>>>> 4-1/2 
>>>>>> inches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing
>>>>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've got a little one on the way and I've started thinking about a 
>>>>>>> bike for a Thule Yepp mini front seat without knee interference to ride 
>>>>>>> next summer!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have pretty long legs for my 5'11" height - pbh of 90.5 so I 
>>>>>>> always look for bikes with short-ish top tubes or use very short stems 
>>>>>>> which in mind provide the most comfortable fit for me. I don't think 
>>>>>>> any of 
>>>>>>> my current bikes is ideal, the proto Gallop has long chainstays and a 
>>>>>>> swoopy top tube for swept back bars so considering geometry, I think it 
>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>> the closest, but I don't think it'll handle the weight in the front 
>>>>>>> very 
>>>>>>> well. The Hunq and Bomba can take the weight, but they might leave me 
>>>>>>> feeling scrunched with limited space between the saddle and the child 
>>>>>>> seat. 
>>>>>>> Maybe I could get a long stem and a set of Boscos and try it out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, I've re-read many of the old posts about the Rosco Baby, and 
>>>>>>> even though it's hard to find a ton of info on these I decided that 
>>>>>>> ideally 
>>>>>>> I'd get a large Rosco Baby. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did the Rosco baby come in three sizes S, M, L (58) or was there an 
>>>>>>> XL (62-64)?  I've already sent out a few feelers hoping some kiddos are 
>>>>>>> outgrowing theirs in the next few months but my ask is that *if 
>>>>>>> anyone is considering selling a large Rosco baby, please ping me - I'm 
>>>>>>> open 
>>>>>>> to buying the frame or complete anytime between now and next summer.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In case I don't get the Rosco, I also re-read many threads on Clem 
>>>>>>> vs Susie vs Platypus, etc. I discarded the Platy, not sure why but my 
>>>>>>> current alternative ideas are: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Buy Ryan's Susie, but I'm not sure it'll handle as well as the 
>>>>>>> baby and the swoopy top tube doesn't make of a true step-thru 
>>>>>>> mound/dismount but it might work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Get one of those upcoming Clem L's - maybe a 64 to have a longer 
>>>>>>> ETT. I'll slam the seat down, like Grant's 64 Clem which was posted on 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> blug a while back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think? Would you try the Bomba? Is a Susie a good 
>>>>>>> option? Or should it really be a Gus to take the extra (up to 33lbs max 
>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>> the Yepp) weight? Or should I just get a Clem and call it a day?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then again, if the Rosco Baby and the Clem are so similar, why was 
>>>>>>> Grant looking for a Rosco baby not long ago, knowing the Clems would be 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> stock in April? The head tube angle and stoutness might not be the 
>>>>>>> same? Am 
>>>>>>> I over-optimizing again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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