That logic would only make sense if most of your riding exists in either of those two extremes.

On Apr 27, 2023, at 9:15 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:

I sit upright because I like it and I use really low gears because the hills are steep.  

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? Someone explain.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher stem after all.

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