Another RideWithGPS user - it has been my go to for route creation (and 
ride/mileage tracking) for a long time and it has continued to improve in 
its ease of use. I usually export routes and load them onto a Garmin GPS or 
into my phone for use with various apps.

-Dave

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:28:25 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> Another vote for RideWithGPS + iPhone and/or computer (mine, a Wahoo 
> Element).
>
> Patch, still always lost in, and around, NYC
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:12:40 PM UTC-4 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ridewithgps lets you build routes on your pc and navigate them through 
>> the iPhone app. It does audible directions as well. Normally I build the 
>> route on my computer and then load the ride on my bike computer (Hammerhead 
>> Karoo or Wahoo Element). I have just used the iPhone app at times. Works 
>> great. Komoot should do the job too but I’m not as familiar with it. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks to the car-centric development of this our Southwestern city we 
>> often have destinations only a few miles away that you can't ride to on 
>> direct, paved routes. OTOH, thanks to our extensive dirt trails, there are 
>> often off-road workarounds that, if they add 50% or more to the total 
>> distance are pleasant to ride -- and after all, one rides for pleasure; or 
>> I hope one does.
>>
>> I have to take a computer in to a shop tomorrow. By 6-lane boulevard and 
>> resulting horrible intersections it's 3.3 miles, but per Google maps there 
>> is apparently a combined residential street-cum-dirt trail route that can 
>> get me there.
>>
>> The trouble is that it's complicated enough that I have a hard time 
>> following it on my 42" professional screen. Also, I am rather "spatially 
>> dyslexic:" I don't easily comprehend spatial directions, relations, and 
>> distances -- generally I painstakingly work out complicated routes on a 
>> verbal instruction sheet.
>>
>> I cannot use Google Maps or on a 2" iPhone screen.
>>
>> But: is there some miracle phone app that will, say, let you pick out 
>> such a route on a big screen and transfer it to a phone where the app will 
>> walk you through the turns and distances?
>>
>> Otherwise, I'll stick to writing out route marker lists.
>>
>> Aside: When I drive with my daughter, she gauged routes using Siri to 
>> operate a direction app that would nag you to turn in "100 yards" or what 
>> have you. But (1) I will *not* talk to a ddogamned machine, and (2) the 
>> routes in question involve paths that I expect are not inside Google or 
>> Apple systems.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who from time to time revisits Robin Williams very funny 
>> Siri putdown on Ellen DeGeneres.
>>
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