Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the Roadini 
does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my downtube shifter 
on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end shifters.

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my bike 
> box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm rear 
> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm wheels. 
> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has a 
> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the difference 
> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many years), 
> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike 
> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an 80 
> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than 28mm.
>
> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a 
> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big 
> consideration for me.
>
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a roadini over 
>> a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs "zippy" offering. 
>> With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike category at Riv is 
>> starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and Roadeo. I know 
>> Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from a modern gravel 
>> bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is definitely a road bike that 
>> happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road Bike when the day is 
>> done.
>>
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes Rivendells 
>>> have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying them in 1997 and 
>>> have not looked back, they made riding possible for me again. 
>>>
>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv  chainstays. Nice bikes 
>>> for those of us who have issues with more aggressive geometries. For me not 
>>> koolaide but a practical   comfort. 
>>>
>>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne <njh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a 
>>>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us 
>>>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 😐
>>>>
>>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't 
>>>> think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems 
>>>> to be looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.
>>>>
>>>> Nick Payne
>>>>
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