I've been following this thread with interest.  I'm still on the lookout 
for a rosco bebbe, but if you're looking for a Yuba Sweet Curry here are 
few options for sale around the country:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-yuba-cargo-bike/7648949239.html
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/wheat-ridge-2019-yuba-sweet-curry/7626882551.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-yuba-sweet-curry-long-tail/7643178697.html

The last one seems to be a good deal.

Max

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> Yeah it's definitely between the Kombi and Short haul now. Leaning Kombi, 
> but finding anywhere that stocks these for a test ride is proving 
> impossible in los angeles. Looks like the Kombi is out of stock now as 
> well. 
>
> Will M, did your Yuba come with a double up front? The Kombi is a 1x and I 
> dont know how easy it would be to route a cable and put a derailer on it 
> with all those weird tubing sizes and shapes. Could always just have 
> another chainring on as a manual bail out, I guess. 
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:54:56 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>
>> Drew,
>>
>> I faced the same dilemma a few years back.  An Atlantis + 
>> Rich-Lesnick-built 36-spoke rear wheel (and child carrier) were easily 
>> rated for my 40-lb 5 y.o., (also w/ sensory issues) but I found the weight 
>> that high up (on top o' 700c wheel) made the stability unsafe.  Really 
>> unsafe.  
>>
>> If the "footprint" is a constraint you'd consider relaxing, the 
>> discontinued Yuba Sweet Curry is the one to get.  Checks all your other 
>> boxes. Analog, capacity for rider plus 300 lbs (250-lbs in back and 50-lbs 
>> in front basket).  Twenty-inch rear wheel keeps the kids low and they can 
>> wiggle all they want (4 year old + 8 year old = 110 lbs + backpacks). 
>>  Frame-mounted front-basket with 50-lb capacity has little effect on 
>> handling (try putting 50-lbs in my Wald 139 basket on the front of the 
>> Atlantis!  Not.)  Handles like my old BMW motorcycle.
>>
>> Alas, the Sweet Curry is discontinued, and the Yuba Kombi (with 24" 
>> wheels) is the analog option now.  Slightly shorter wheelbase and lower 
>> weight capacity of the Sweet Curry, but with the monkey bars in back, your 
>> son will not outgrow it for years.  Yuba website shows a nice way to hang 
>> 'em vertically in small apartments. :-)
>>
>> Tip: The Analog Yubas are sped'ed with gearing that's too tall.  I 
>> swapped the front crank with the RBW/Silver 24x38.  The ratios are perfect 
>> with the 11x32 rear cassette.  And the 178mm (!) crank arms definitely help 
>> when starting up at traffic lights with 110-lbs of kids.    
>>
>> Seems space is a hard constraint for you.  It is me too (NYC apartment), 
>> so the Yuba lives on the street year-round.  I simply know of no other bike 
>> that will be as good for a 5-y.o. (and then 6 and then 7 and then...)    I 
>> take mine to my LBS twice a year for maintenance.  Since 2017, I've worn 
>> out 1 rear hub, 2 bottom brackets, 5 chains, 2 complete sets of disc brake 
>> pads, 1 rear derailer, and 1 broken derailer hanger.  And folks have stolen 
>> the saddle and post and cushions.  Oh well.  Bright lights, big city and 
>> all. 
>>
>> Wow, that Globe Haul is a neat option too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Will
>> NYC
>>
>>        
>>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Why not electric?  My kids are nearing college age and I'm looking 
>>> forward to replacing a car with an e-cargo bike.  I have no specific 
>>> recommendations for you, but to me, you get more general utility with a 
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>>>
>>>> Drew,
>>>>
>>>> The Yuba Kombi probably will make more sense in the long term because 
>>>> it's, like, a mid-tail cargo bike and when your kid is riding on their own 
>>>> it's still useful as a cargo hauler. Also can best serve as both kid and 
>>>> cargo interchangeably, during transition period when you want your kid to 
>>>> be able to hop onto padded bench seat sometimes, but not so much that 
>>>> you're going to keep a full child seat installed.
>>>>
>>>> Smaller wheels do make carrying a kid feel better. I went from riding 
>>>> with a kid in a Thule rear rackmount seat on an old 26" Rockhopper and 
>>>> then 
>>>> got an Orbea Katu with 20" wheels and the latter rode much nicer with the 
>>>> top-heavy load. Even for me but especially for my wife, who isn't so 
>>>> confident on a bike, even without a load. 
>>>>
>>>> Orbea unfortunately doesn't sell the Katu in the USA any more. It's a 
>>>> great family bike for sub-"cargo" use but is closer to a mid-tail cargo 
>>>> bike (with 20" wheels) than most minivelos, with pretty long 
>>>> chainstays/wheelbase. Also with geo designed for more upright riding and 
>>>> flexible range of rider height. Plenty of heel clearance to ride with a 
>>>> set 
>>>> of panniers mounted to an add-on rear rack, and also has an "integrated" 
>>>> rack that bolts on to the headtube.
>>>>
>>>> Based on my experience, 20" wheels instead of even 24" wheels I think 
>>>> will be appreciably nicer with a load above the rack line, but 24" is at 
>>>> least better than 27.5" or 26" in that regard, and if you'll keep it as a 
>>>> cargo bike will probably be preferable to 20" at that point.
>>>>
>>>> Chester
>>>> SF Bay Area
>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-7 Drw wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback. It's unfortunate that there 
>>>>> are so few non electric options these days, but helpful to know which 
>>>>> older 
>>>>> models to keep an eye out for. I did discover that Yuba has a version of 
>>>>> the Kombi that isn't electric and about the same price as the Tern. Bike 
>>>>> Friday would end up being at least 1000$ more, so I'm leaning toward the 
>>>>> Yuba or Kombi. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:56:29 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It amuses me that the difference in wheelbase length between my 
>>>>>> medium Big Dummy and my medium Gus is only 9”. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2023, at 12:53 PM, Eric Daume <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could look for an old Kona MinUte. Kind of a short cargo bike. 
>>>>>> There was another model like this, but I can't remember what it was.
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 1:49 PM Drw <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the last 4 years I've been carrying my kid and all of our 
>>>>>>> family's gear on a rosco bubbe mountain step-thru with crust clydesdale 
>>>>>>> fork. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <IMG_2875.jpg>
>>>>>>> Overall, it's been great, but as he gets bigger, having that amount 
>>>>>>> of weight, that high up, plus a decent load up front is starting to 
>>>>>>> feel 
>>>>>>> really wiggly. I had early on thought that my son would be riding a 
>>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>>> well enough to transition to one of those tag a long attachments like 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> burley piccolo, but he has some sensory issues with balance and gross 
>>>>>>> motor 
>>>>>>> that will probably make that not a real possibility before he is big 
>>>>>>> enough 
>>>>>>> to just be riding fully on his own. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I'm looking for a compact cargo bike with the following 
>>>>>>> requirements. 
>>>>>>> -Non electric
>>>>>>> -Footprint no bigger than a standard bike 
>>>>>>> -Platform/bench rear seat for kids
>>>>>>> -Some front cargo capability
>>>>>>> -uses deraillers (though i could be swayed to an IGH)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now I am mostly looking at the bike friday haul-a-day elite 
>>>>>>> <https://bikefriday.com/product/bike-friday-haul-a-day-elite-cargo-bike/>and
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> the tern short haul D8 
>>>>>>> <https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/bikes/471/short-haul-d8>. Both 
>>>>>>> have pros and cons. I am open to any other cool options. And any 
>>>>>>> thoughts 
>>>>>>> about the above models would be appreciated as well. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Drew
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