There have been riders known to have a separate low trail fork made for 
their Rivendell. One from the likes of Jack of Franklin Frames namesake 
could be an option as he doesn't charge silly prices for such things. I'd 
keep it 700c myself as I don't see a wider tire on a road bike adding 
anything but more weight and air resistance. In full disclosure I never 
bought into the sales promotions for either 650b or wider tires than 
necessary for a given surface. 


On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:53:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My understanding of this stuff is the r559 works for 650b conversions that 
> started with short-reach calipers. Ram came with medium-reach and need a 
> reeeeally long arm to reach 650b rims. I don't think r559 or Medium Racer 
> will do it, the long Racers might. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 8:11:48 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper 
>> like the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i 
>> think). The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.
>>
>> Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
>> the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
>> on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
>> while.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, 
>>>> with 
>>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>>
>>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht <max.fai...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>>>>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
>>>>> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
>>>>> who 
>>>>> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike 
>>>>> he’s 
>>>>> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
>>>>> make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
>>>>> the Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>>>>
>>>>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds 
>>>>> with no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>>>>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
>>>>> don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
>>>>> options 
>>>>> on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
>>>>> weight 
>>>>> or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>>>>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to 
>>>>> replace my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I 
>>>>> can 
>>>>> get a more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> love it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from 
>>>>> my 
>>>>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
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