Did someone say PIE??! 🥧 On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone told > me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding since > I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and see > how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 12 x > 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to fuel > my engine with pie.... so I am looking forward to the 24! > > On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote: > >> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a >> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice. >> >> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, >> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 >> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 >> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on >> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity >> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, >> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time. >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama >>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone! >>> >>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote: >>> >>>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern >>>> than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with: >>>> >>>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding >>>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back >>>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your >>>> medium and small cogs and back. >>>> >>>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant >>>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson <sarahlik...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm >>>>> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible >>>>> thing? >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, >>>>>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to >>>>>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a >>>>>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high >>>>>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly >>>>>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that >>>>>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, >>>>>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring >>>>>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have >>>>>> more >>>>>> rings up there. >>>>>> >>>>>> For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - >>>>>> above that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 >>>>>> tops. On the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want >>>>>> something in the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, >>>>>> 24-25 >>>>>> inches is good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings >>>>>> such that I truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can >>>>>> run >>>>>> a big ring on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to >>>>>> 11-34 is a great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some >>>>>> smaller steps on the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most >>>>>> situations >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant <tedd...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more >>>>>>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the >>>>>>> rear >>>>>>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low >>>>>>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... >>>>>>> apologies in advance if this is too much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" >>>>>>> 50x34 combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. >>>>>>> Now, >>>>>>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous >>>>>>> 51% >>>>>>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford >>>>>>> ST-22, >>>>>>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a >>>>>>> hill, >>>>>>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, >>>>>>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It >>>>>>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to >>>>>>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a >>>>>>> 46% >>>>>>> jump which is pretty high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ted Durant >>>>>>> Milwaukee, WI USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/yo4eRz3flb0/unsubscribe >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1a3954ba-86af-4775-8090-f3e4bba4fa44n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1a3954ba-86af-4775-8090-f3e4bba4fa44n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/896b1b2b-8777-4482-b644-d47c7f8a41d1n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/896b1b2b-8777-4482-b644-d47c7f8a41d1n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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