In my experience I got sensational braking out of Campy Record brakes with Galli aero rims. They definitely had a different finish to other rims, and were probably the first I ever saw with a welded and smoothed seam. They were great. The right rims can have a strong influence on braking performance, IMO.
BL in EC On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 10:39:38 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote: > Man, I had to dig deeply into the aging memory banks for that one. I seem > to recall that I had two sets of wheels I used for the bike that had the > Record brakes. I believe that one set had Super Champion Arc-en-ciel (sp?) > tubular rims and another may have had Rigida wired-on's - can't recall the > model name. But, as you said in a previous post, these weren't exactly > made with the most optimal braking surface. > > On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 11:54:46 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> It's true that single pivot Campy brakes were not super powerful. How >> many different sets of rims did you use them with? When I settled on a >> favorite rim, I thought the braking was quite good. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:37:51 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote: >> >>> Kinda reminds me way back in the day when Campy Record single-pivot SP >>> brakes were considered to be the best of the best. It was mainly just name >>> dropping by people who wanted bikes with a high-end build - they had poor >>> stopping power. The people at Campagnolo countered that their brakes were >>> intended for racers to "modulate speed," not necessarily to provide better >>> braking. >>> >>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 8:51:42 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>> >>>> The build will have a color matched Nobilette stem and a Shimano >>>> headset that I converted from threaded to threadless in my workshop. Rene >>>> Herse cranks, brakes, fenders, front rack and pump will be present. The >>>> wheel set is a fancy high tech HED Ardennes RA Black, which is supposed to >>>> give premier rim braking. The drivetrain will be Dura Ace 7900 2x10, and >>>> I'll use an NOS Dura Ace metal seat post. Whether I run 32, 35 or 38 >>>> tires >>>> remains to be seen and depends on whether I run it with fenders to start. >>>> The handlebars will be Nitto Soba Noodles and I'll be using home-modified >>>> brakelevers. Whether I run the front rack and fenders will influence >>>> whether I run a handlebar bag, but if I do, I'll make another copy of a >>>> home made decaleur that I've been running on two other bikes. >>>> >>>> So from 10,000 feet, I would rate the BUC index fairly low (Build >>>> Unconventionality Index). There's nothing super weird about this build. >>>> My homemade headset, decaleur and brakelevers are not off the shelf, but >>>> neither will they draw attention to themselves. The biggest area of >>>> exploration will be the brakes. Rene Herse Cantilever users claim they >>>> are >>>> the best thing out there. It's my opinion as a mechanic that when you use >>>> fairly non-adjustable brakes, your best bet is to have a frame builder >>>> execute the build with those brakes in mind, and that's what I've had >>>> Nobilette do. Finally, I notice that in the miles of discourse about >>>> braking, everybody talks about setup, mechanical advantage, and brake pad >>>> compound (with a bizarre assumption that koolstop salmon is the only >>>> choice). Nobody talks about rims. The rim surface is at least as >>>> important as the brake pads. I think people don't talk about it because >>>> they don't want to consider switching rims, because rims are too expensive >>>> to switch. Everybody either says "my braking is sub-optimal, what am I >>>> missing?" or "my braking is awesome, but I can't explain why, or how you >>>> can get what I've got". When I was a shop mechanic, I got a reputation >>>> for >>>> being a brake-guru. Some of the local racers would only let me work on >>>> their brake systems. Still, there's a ton I don't know. I ponied up for >>>> a >>>> pretty expensive wheel set to see if truly premier rim-braking is >>>> something >>>> one can buy. I genuinely don't know what the results will be, but it's >>>> one >>>> of the aspects I'm looking forward to. >>>> >>>> Bill Lindsay >>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 6:25:28 AM UTC-8 Patch T wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just tremendous. My ideal Riv road is similar to Bill's ideal Riv >>>>> road. Can't wait to see how this turns out. >>>>> >>>>> Bill, any further teasers you want to share about the build? >>>>> >>>>> Patch in NYC, but pretty soon in OAK, CA >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d89d2ae7-9de1-45bf-ae79-e0ce6424dc04n%40googlegroups.com.
