That is helpful Brian. Thank you. And, nice job on the sand-stand!
Doug

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:51:05 PM UTC-5 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Here's a visual, if it helps, of what a 54 looks like with approx. 74cm 
> saddle height. If it's not instructive in terms of sizing, at least it can 
> show you the possibilities of creating a quasi-kickstand out of sand.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:18:35 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It generally fits. He would be at the very top of what they suggest for 
>> that size but if going for a road fit with drops being at the top is 
>> preferable to being at the bottom. Most of their "size up" philosophy is 
>> based on upright relaxed riding.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:55:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is somewhat surprising as it does not seem to align with Riv’s 
>>> published size suggestions? I too am 5’10” & ride with a 72cm saddle 
>>> height. 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>
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