Oh shoot, I didn't realize the Crust was 650b in smaller sizes. Velo Orange 
Rando frameset <https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset> is the 
only other production road frame that comes to mind, but I haven't 
read/heard much about it's ride quality. The modular dropouts are a really 
neat idea though. 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:32:26 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:

> As I wrote earlier and it looks like Ron is going in this direction:
>
> " I'd like to see a Columbus Spirit tubed frameset just like the Malocchio 
> with tigs, slanted top tube, threaded fork, and a nice powder coat at a 
> reasonable price. Kinda like a BMW 2002 from the olden days." I'd want 
> threaded fork cuz I need the rise offered by long quill stems.
>
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:27:46 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A Riv may not be the bike for me this time.. I'm also considering a 
>> Litespeed Arenberg (the new one, seems like some good numbers) or maybe 
>> even splash out on a custom Fitz or Sycip here in Sonoma County.. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-8 Chris Fly wrote:
>>
>>> the issue with the Crust for me is the three smallest sizes seem to be 
>>> 650b and I don't really want a 650b bike.. plus the brake thing might bug 
>>> me if I did want to run larger tires in the future.. thanks Eddie! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:38:49 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have the same brakes front and rear and there is no issue with 35mm 
>>>> tires. The OP wants a quick road bike so he'd  be fine too.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 7:21:46 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The big minus behind the crust is that they messed up the 
>>>>> manufacturing so it takes different brakes front and rear which is 
>>>>> bizarre. 
>>>>> Even more bizarre is that it requires smaller tires on the back than on 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> front. Unless you pay to have someone move the brake bridge (and then do 
>>>>> the repaint) that kind of stuff would always be nagging at the back of my 
>>>>> mind and cause me not to enjoy the bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:14 PM eddietheflay <eddiet...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crust Malocchio. Real lugs, real lightweight tubing, decent 
>>>>>> clearance. Some things in its favor. Definitely not the looker that most 
>>>>>> Rivs are and without sloping top tube = good or not so? We could put 
>>>>>> some 
>>>>>> blocks on my pedals and you could try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:05:49 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The A Homer Hilsen comes with an 80mm drop, which could be one 
>>>>>>> reason you like it over the Roadini. But the Hilsen probably won't fit 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> my travel bike box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, 17:54 Stephen Durfee <chefd...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris - I got my Roadini just over a year ago, a complete bike 
>>>>>>>> purchased from a CL listing in South Carolina that I had shipped to 
>>>>>>>> Napa. I 
>>>>>>>> wanted a RIv so bad, and a "road bike" in particular, but was (perhaps 
>>>>>>>> like 
>>>>>>>> you), hoping to save a few bucks on a pre-owned model. I had 
>>>>>>>> previously 
>>>>>>>> visited HQ and talked with Will, who acknowledged that I was on the 
>>>>>>>> cusp 
>>>>>>>> between 54 and 57, and that either could be a good fit...I later 
>>>>>>>> concluded 
>>>>>>>> that I should have gone with the larger size - the one I got was a 54 
>>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>>> "Old Blue", an earlier model which would not accept the larger tire 
>>>>>>>> size 
>>>>>>>> that the newer models do.  I liked the bike well enough that I 
>>>>>>>> considered 
>>>>>>>> investing in a brand new frame (that Gold is hot!) but also realized 
>>>>>>>> that I 
>>>>>>>> didn't love the components that came with that bike in the first 
>>>>>>>> place.  
>>>>>>>> And so, since I would have been essentially starting from scratch,  it 
>>>>>>>> didn't take much convincing to grab that Homer frame that came up 
>>>>>>>> locally, 
>>>>>>>> and then build it up with the parts that I wanted. Now I have a bike 
>>>>>>>> that I 
>>>>>>>> love, love, love, in a size that fits!  I kept it lean, with some 
>>>>>>>> Noodles 
>>>>>>>> and 33mm Jack Browns, no racks and only a spare tire tool kit. The 
>>>>>>>> Roadini 
>>>>>>>> felt good, but the Homer feels great! And while I'm the first to 
>>>>>>>> acknowledge that I know nothing about BB drop, or could comment on 
>>>>>>>> flexiness, or even know how much it weighs...I feel fast when I'm on 
>>>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If in your heart, you want an orange 50, I'd say just wait. But 
>>>>>>>> you're close enough to Walnut Creek to go have a spin on a new bike 
>>>>>>>> and see 
>>>>>>>> what you think. The newsletter that came out today says they 
>>>>>>>> discovered one 
>>>>>>>> Gold 50 in stock...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's way more flexy/comfy than my Custom Ti bike, which friends 
>>>>>>>>> already claim is flexy and comfy when they ride it (and which flexes 
>>>>>>>>> like 
>>>>>>>>> crazy when I attach a trailer to it). It's overbuilt for me @ 145 
>>>>>>>>> pounds. 
>>>>>>>>> If I was 160 pounds I wouldn't consider it over built, and if I was 
>>>>>>>>> 200 
>>>>>>>>> pounds I still wouldn't expect to break it. My big complaint is that 
>>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>>> don't consider 75mm BB drop to be sufficient for 30mm tires on the 
>>>>>>>>> road. I 
>>>>>>>>> want 80mm or 85mm drop for a bike built for modern style giant tires 
>>>>>>>>> where 
>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't expect to ride anything smaller than 700x30.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 9:19:37 AM UTC-8 four...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess that's my concern is I'm not looking for a gravel bike.. 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a zippy (fast-ish) road bike that will take larger 
>>>>>>>>>> tires.. 
>>>>>>>>>> Also,  one of my main concerns is the bike will be overbuilt, 
>>>>>>>>>> meaning the 
>>>>>>>>>> tubes will be heavy enough that it won't flex enough to be comfy.. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:15:25 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have about 1300 miles on my Roadini: 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.piaw.net/2023/05/rivendell-roadini-1000-mile-review.html.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> With 700x28mm tires it feels as fast as any bike I've ridden that's 
>>>>>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>>>>>> built to be ultralight. I built mine up to be around 20 pounds with 
>>>>>>>>>>> pedals, 
>>>>>>>>>>> bottle cage and pump but no toolkit or water bottle. I could have 
>>>>>>>>>>> probably 
>>>>>>>>>>> shaved another pound off with Jon Neugent's 1430g wheels. Having 
>>>>>>>>>>> said that, 
>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't beat my custom Ti touring bike built based on the 1993 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bridgestone RB-1 geometry on climbs up hills or stability on 
>>>>>>>>>>> descents (the 
>>>>>>>>>>> higher BB on the Roadini is to blame). What I do find is that with 
>>>>>>>>>>> 38mm 
>>>>>>>>>>> tires it is an excellent gravel bike and I have no issues taking it 
>>>>>>>>>>> down 
>>>>>>>>>>> single track  trails that others would consider MTB trails. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tektro 559s 
>>>>>>>>>>> outperform any disc brakes I've ever found and never make noise 
>>>>>>>>>>> (unlike any 
>>>>>>>>>>> disc brakes I've ever ridden).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did buy another 50cm Roadini to build up for my son when he's 
>>>>>>>>>>> tall enough to ride it (which won't take a year), so that tells you 
>>>>>>>>>>> that I 
>>>>>>>>>>> think it's the best general purpose bike in the Rivendell stable. 
>>>>>>>>>>> The bike 
>>>>>>>>>>> is so versatile I wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere except a 
>>>>>>>>>>> dedicated 
>>>>>>>>>>> downhill MTB park.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 9:54:56 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>> four...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I realize I'm posting this on the RBW list, so there is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bound to be some bias and that's ok.. ;) I'm a Riv owner myself 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> current AHH I got from my Dad when he passed and have previously 
>>>>>>>>>>>> owned a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bleriot and a Ram for a short time. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, my question is simple- does the Roadini feel fast(ish) when 
>>>>>>>>>>>> riding? I'm sure builds vary and so weight will vary, but I know 
>>>>>>>>>>>> some bikes 
>>>>>>>>>>>> can weigh a bit more and still feel "quick".. to be fair, I'm no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> racer, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I like a bike to feel good when I stand up to pedal or am zipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>> around at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> my, fast for me, 18-19 mph.. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be looking to build up with drop bars BTW with a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> modern-ish group.. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, anyone have a 50cm frameset (or complete maybe) they 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are looking to move? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris is Sonoma County, CA :) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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