If you watch that video from the youtube link at the end, he explains why the Racer is stiffer than more-common long-reach brakes.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:04:14 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: > That's interesting. The website definitely says that the racer was > originally designed to work with dedicated posts, but Paul has previously > acknowledged that it was created per a request from Grant, with the rirst > useage being the Saluki. That bike never came with direct- mount > center-pull braze-ons, unless maybe in prototype form. This is from a 2016 > newsletter: > > > > > The Racer Brake > Making the Classics Even Classier > > > > We’re a bike component company for people with tricks up their sleeves. > > You’ve got plans for those old frames lying around...you just don’t know > what they are yet. > > Back in March we had an upcycle idea for your old mountain bike > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=7994ab722d&e=f5449e7ee3>, > > and now we’ve another suggestion for converting that old steel classic or > 27-inch wheel bike to a 700c: *It’s called the Racer Brake > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=1c3617e3b3&e=f5449e7ee3>. > * > > Or what’s known as a long-reach brake with a reach of 57 to 70mm. > > Back in the day, Grant Peterson of Rivendell fame called Paul requesting a > centerpull brake like the Mafac Racer. Which sounded crazy But when Paul > pulled down some old frames and got to thinking, he could see it’d be great > for conversion. > > What's so special about a Mafac replica? The arms are much stiffer than > your typical dual pivot brake, which means more power is transferred for > stopping. > > Below is our video how-to on the conversion, and it’s housed on our BRAND > NEW VIDEO PAGE > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=f8b185241f&e=f5449e7ee3>, > > where all of our videos can be found. > > Note that the Racer is available in recessed and non-recessed mounting in > black, silver, and high polish. (Sorry folks, no green). > > [image: Using the PAUL Racer Brake] > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=8b61987dd6&e=f5449e7ee3> > Product page, plus video > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=be57d4a7cb&e=f5449e7ee3> > . > > Watch on YouTube > <http://paulcomp.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5871cd1aab61e668a1275b221&id=c4a111f0d9&e=f5449e7ee3> > > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 8:07:00 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote: > >> "The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well. I have the braze-on >> version, on a Tony Pereira. " >> >> Yes, the *braze-on version* is a good brake - I had them on my Rambler >> and was mostly satisfied with their stopping power. I was not happy that >> the absolute widest tire that would clear the thin-line pads (with washers >> reversed to get more clearance) was a 38. I ran 42's but had to deflate the >> tire if I wanted to remove the wheel. >> There's a reason these brakes were originally designed for special post >> mounts, which the Roaduno will NOT have. You would have to use the single >> fork/brake-bridge mount version of the Paul centerpulls, resulting in more >> flex in the brake arms and lower performance (for the same high price) than >> the post mount Racers. >> All of which could have been avoided with cantilever/V-brake bosses on >> the Roaduno, which would have allowed the option of several high-performing >> and much more affordable brakes. >> I live in Portland and as others have said, long-reach center-pulls in >> wet weather braking generally suck. >> >> Mike M >> >> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote: >> >>> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well. I have the braze-on >>> version, on a Tony Pereira. >>> >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/ >>> >>> If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them. >>> >>> Max Beach >>> Santa Rosa CA >>> >>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote: >>> >>>> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did >>>> decide to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake. (They had >>>> officially discontinued it just a couple of years ago). It's almost $400 >>>> for a pair, but at least it comes in purple. ;-) >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach >>>>> brakes. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan <ryte...@mts.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What about vo grand cru brakes? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some >>>>>>> intriguing build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> Based on my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> dry, and unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch >>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>> Not a long reach fan, even in flat >>>>>>> Plain City OH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann <velo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was >>>>>>>> pretty stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell >>>>>>>> lugged >>>>>>>> single speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish >>>>>>>> 700c >>>>>>>> tires courtesy of cantilever mounts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was >>>>>>>> being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my >>>>>>>> personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now >>>>>>>> there's >>>>>>>> the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT >>>>>>>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single >>>>>>>> speed Lightning Bolt. >>>>>>>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my >>>>>>>> position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally >>>>>>>> hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea >>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>> single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set >>>>>>>> this up >>>>>>>> and push back against my inner purist ;-) >>>>>>>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube >>>>>>>>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, >>>>>>>>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of >>>>>>>>>> your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is >>>>>>>>>> a pair >>>>>>>>>> of long reach caliper brakes. I've got two sets that I would like >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> sell. One is the very modest Tektro 365. It's got the identical >>>>>>>>>> forgings >>>>>>>>>> and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid >>>>>>>>>> brake >>>>>>>>>> blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel. The ones I'm selling have >>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>> corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> nice metal pad holders. These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen >>>>>>>>>> and at >>>>>>>>>> some point he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are >>>>>>>>>> black on >>>>>>>>>> one brake, grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are >>>>>>>>>> red on >>>>>>>>>> one brake and black on the other. I'm asking $35 shipped for the >>>>>>>>>> 365s and >>>>>>>>>> $55 shipped for the 556s. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Photos: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 556 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 365 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that >>>>>>>>>>> the new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> reference to it being offered as a complete. 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