Awhile back, I wanted to have some ultimate "granny gears" as absolute 
insurance for climbing hills without spending a lot of money. I came across 
the Avid Micro-adapter 74/58 bcd granny gear adaptor for a 20T ring.  
After sometime of playing around with it and getting a lot of advice from 
over on the IBOB LIST 
(https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/-C-kw8MfM2Y/m/xW5gSLXUAgAJ), I 
succeeded in doing so. 

These are my results. I have a Rivendell 52cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle 
with a the standard SILVER 173mm crank set with rings of 34/20T with a 
SunRace 9 speed cassette 11-40T in the back. My front derailleur is a 
Shimano CX70 and my rear derailleur is Shimano Deore RD951 9 speed SGS long 
cage with a Wolf Tooth Road Link. This set-up works very well for me for my 
cycling needs, after years of running a triple crank set. The last one I 
ran was a 172.5mm T. A. Zephyr 42/36/20T. I don't feel the need to run a 
triple anymore. 

There is nothing like having a lot of low gears and plenty of water bottles 
and cages to hold them. One never knows where my adventures will take me. 

How low can you go ?

Kim Hetzel.



On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:13:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Schairer wrote:

> "That's like asking why someone wants a longer/shorter stem..."
>
> Which could be a perfectly valid question to someone who has stated he has 
> limited knowledge of such things.  The reason for the goal may determine 
> the method of achieving it.  If the person I actually asked the question of 
> takes offense, I apologize.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:09:37 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> Uhh... because lower Q works better for some people? That's like asking 
>> why someone wants a longer/shorter stem...
>>
>> Adam, with the VO cranks (if we're thinking of the same ones) if you can 
>> get a set of arms without rings, TA rings will fit, which are available in 
>> any tooth count down to 26 IIRC. 40/26 is definitely possible with the TA 
>> 50.4bcd rings. You could also watch eBay etc for used TA cyclotouriste/pro 
>> 5 vis cranks, which is what the VO and SunXCD cranks are copies of.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson 
>> Missoula MT 
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 10 janv. 2024 à 9:47 AM, Bill Schairer <comm...@gmail.com> a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Since you stated you are a bit new to all of this, I am curious as to 
>>> exactly why you are so focused on a lower Q?
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Great ideas already. I have thought about the VO cranks, but want 
>>>> slightly lower gearing if I'm going to the trouble of swapping.
>>>>
>>>> For Ron, or anyone else, does swapping the large ring for a bash guard 
>>>> allow for a lower Q? I assumed that would stay the same?
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to look at the Alex cycle option, your pic is exactly what I 
>>>> want to do. Is there a clever way to piece something like that together 
>>>> from older stuff on eBay? Guessing it may take knowledge I don't have 
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 11:15:31 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> adding a ps - another use of your triple crank, there are some 
>>>>> virtually weightless bash guards out there if you want to make it a 
>>>>> compact 
>>>>> double.  
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Rw6vTY9.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:44:54 AM UTC-6 Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Adam, 
>>>>>> take a look at VO Rando crank.  
>>>>>> If you can find them, Sun XCD makes their 50.8 BCD and chainrings, 
>>>>>> which I'm running on 2 bikes.  .  
>>>>>> I was on SJS Cycles last night looking at rings, and noticed they 
>>>>>> still have some T/A-5 chainrings.  
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:15:06 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adjacent to the triples thread, I'm thinking about moving away from 
>>>>>>> a triple to a double in order to get a lower Q.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are options for double cranksets that are around 40/26 or so? I 
>>>>>>> think that would be doable with the Rene Herse cranks, but too much $$$ 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> me. Are there any cheaper options that will do that and give me a q in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> 140s?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, drivetrain stuff is a little new to me. What determines how 
>>>>>>> small a q factor a specific bike can have? I'm assuming chainstays play 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> role here? This hypothetical project is for a Hillborne, so I'd be 
>>>>>>> curious 
>>>>>>> what folks have used to get low q on their Hillbornes. I'm assuming I 
>>>>>>> may 
>>>>>>> have to change the BB as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
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