You can still get an orange 51cm Gus frame from Riv. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 6:19:56 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> What am I missing? Aren’t the Susie’s available right now? I mean, I know 
> they are not here yet but at least they have not sold out. 
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> On Feb 24, 2024, at 9:12 PM, Tim Bantham <tba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Based on what you have described I would continue to ride your Krampus as 
> you wait for the Susie's to become available. 
>
> My past Riv's that I have personally owned have been an Appaloosa and a 
> Clem H. Those bikes are no longer in my stable. Between the two I enjoyed 
> riding the Appaloosa off road more so then the Clem H. I build the Clem H 
> as a purpose build analog mountain bike. I had a very nice build sparing no 
> expense and I hated that bike. Part of the problem is that I wanted the 
> bike to more then it was capable of. I live on the east coast where the 
> terrain is rocky and rooted. There is a lot of stuff that you have to get 
> off and walk with a fully rigged bike, The Clem was too long and unwieldy. 
> Riding it was a chore in woods. The long chain stays were more of a bug 
> than a feature. To be clear this was the Clem H which Riv no longer makes. 
> Maybe the Clem L is better. I am only sharing my opinion based on the Clem 
> H. 
>
> On the other hand the Appaloosa was set up as my dirt road touring bike. I 
> can share one experience when I was riding with friends who were all on 
> full suspension mountain bikes and/or hardtails and I had no difficulty 
> keeping up. The terrain on this particular set of trails was fast and flowy 
> and not rocky/rooted . The Clem H would have been more cumbersome in that 
> same situation. 
>
> I currently have a modern all carbon full suspension mountain bike that 
> easily handles the trails near me. Problem is that I don't ride it enough 
> so it is currently up for sale. That bike is not easy to live with either. 
> The suspension is something that I can't service myself, it has hydraulic 
> disc brakes which I consider to be fiddly. AND I really don't like driving 
> my bike in the car to get to the trailhead. 
>
> The Rivs that I currently own are a Platypus that I just finished building 
> up this month, An A. Homer Hilsen that is currently in my work stand and my 
> beloved Sam Hilborne. I've only ridden the Platy about 40 miles so far but 
> I love this bike! That said, I  won't love riding the Platypus off road. In 
> my opinion its just not the right bike for that. I personally would be much 
> more comfortable on the Sam. The Homer will be strictly used as my road 
> bike. 
>
> Keep riding the Surly that you own. Wait for the Susie and make a decision 
> at that point. I would hesitate to rush into anything else just because 
> they are currently available. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 7:51:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The riding you're describing says Susie but - as you say - the Clem L 
>> will handle most of it. I don't need lugs either and I love my L (haven't 
>> ridden it on trails yet but will), I think this is the way unless you're 
>> super into the looks/color of Susie. Also Clem L means cheaper and no 
>> waiting! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:51:21 AM UTC-8 Gregger wrote:
>>
>>> Long time listener, first time caller.  
>>>
>>> It's a bit hard to tell if you lovely folks on this forum enjoy or 
>>> loathe these "help me pick a bike" posts - there are a lot of them - but I 
>>> really would greatly appreciate your input on my situation.  I bought a Leo 
>>> Roadini a while back (my first Riv) and love it for pavement and gravel 
>>> roads.  I now want to look into a trail bike for everything from dirt paths 
>>> to midwestern single track (grounded and cautious - I'm 62 years).
>>>
>>> So, I'm torn between a Platypus (love the aesthetics) and a Clem L (the 
>>> ride experience is evidently sublime?). Or should I wait for the new 
>>> stouter Susie to arrive (did I mention I weigh 205 lbs?).  I only ride for 
>>> exercise a couple of hours a day, so no lugging weight on racks or bags . . 
>>> .  would I overwhelm the Platypus frame in the woods?  Would the Clem have 
>>> the ground clearance for roots and rocks?  
>>>
>>> Obviously the Susie would be the safe and conservative choice, but I'm 
>>> not a very patient person (this May? Any guarantees?), and I really do love 
>>> the purple Platypus available currently.  The Clem L would offer a slightly 
>>> larger tire clearance, and the low(ish) bottom bracket height would likely 
>>> be sufficient 94.3 % of the time; and tig welds are just fine with me 
>>> (sorry for the hurt feelings).
>>>
>>> Or, a forth option - to be truly difficult, should I keep riding my 
>>> Surly Krampus in the woods and continue to risk wiping out and injuring 
>>> myself - it just demands to be ridden with abandon, and I scare myself.  
>>> That's my problem I guess, not the bike's.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much in advance.  I know I've probably left out relevant 
>>> information, but I've tried to keep this somewhat short.  Fail.
>>>
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