I keep getting text messages from HED for the sale they are running on their rim-brake deep-V carbon rim wheel sets, and I keep thinking about Max's build. Bad influence!!
BL in EC On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 9:31:19 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote: > Mad Max, > Shock & Awe indeed. > That’s a mean machine. > k. > > On Mar 6, 2024, at 7:32 AM, John Dewey <john...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Max, that's just a badass bicycle. Well done, sir. > > Jock > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 3:23 PM Max S <msh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and wheels >> are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close behind that is >> picking a reasonably fast color): > > <QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg> >> >> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2 >> >> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >> >>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is whichever >>> Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your body, that pleases >>> you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your budget, and that >>> accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding you hope to do. >>> >>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is a >>> broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. Will it >>> be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff from the >>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a group? >>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above? >>> >>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their versatility. >>> This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is why I gravitate to >>> the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can be set up many >>> different ways and it will be brilliant in the various guises. Swap a >>> handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks and >>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a >>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. >>> >>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of great >>> suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your own >>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing. >>> >>> Good luck with your search! >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 heike...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar alternative, >>>> I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto Choco bars >>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-100mm-sleeve-tandem-162491>, >>>> >>>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of a drop >>>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem grip. >>>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I can >>>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the >>>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super wide bar; >>>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. >>>> >>>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, and I >>>> right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my Velo Orange >>>> wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's a fun bike >>>> for >>>> that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to go on group >>>> fast >>>> rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides. If I had two >>>> Riv >>>> bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the App - but for >>>> just >>>> one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, the Appa is >>>> wonderful! >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who will soon >>>>> outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a gravel bike >>>>> with >>>>> wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's Roadini for her first >>>>> ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I swapped the wheels on >>>>> both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start riding the Roadini >>>>> for >>>>> my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for pavement riding. I would >>>>> be >>>>> very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I was allowed to ride. A >>>>> wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its personality. >>>>> >>>>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed tires: >>>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je >>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 cfic...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your >>>>>> posts. Riding and experimenting with different models may be the only >>>>>> way >>>>>> to find that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to admit >>>>>> that >>>>>> I've been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I picked >>>>>> up >>>>>> to see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become >>>>>> available. It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit heavy >>>>>> for >>>>>> the hills. The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, head >>>>>> tube angle, stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should be >>>>>> satisfied with what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the >>>>>> requirement I >>>>>> have had in my mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto bars >>>>>> (Losco, Choco, Albastache) look like they could be fine for long >>>>>> distance >>>>>> road riding with multiple positions that could mimic some of those of a >>>>>> drop bar. And they might work better with the longish top tubes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very recently >>>>>>> replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am going to swap out >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what size you're >>>>>>> looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, and the Sam >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which was great, but >>>>>>> ended >>>>>>> up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my needs at the >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed terrain >>>>>>> stuff). >>>>>>> Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and was definitely >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit like overkill tbh. I >>>>>>> attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size I was using >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I would say if you >>>>>>> go >>>>>>> with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size (as someone >>>>>>> mentioned earlier!). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but if it's >>>>>>> anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that makes sense >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to the type of >>>>>>> riding >>>>>>> you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful! >>>>>>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in his >>>>>>>> post about iterating... >>>>>>>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your budget and >>>>>>>> then make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " – all sorts of >>>>>>>> cool >>>>>>>> and awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 mathiass...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Chuck, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I chime >>>>>>>>> in... because of this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but >>>>>>>>> I think it was too big for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in the top >>>>>>>>> tube. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the handlebar of >>>>>>>>> choice. The one Grant says he'll ride when he's old. I'd argue you >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> build a bike that accomodates swept back AND drop handlebars for the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> rider in the same size. The difference is only a few cm, but they >>>>>>>>> matter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the frame up, >>>>>>>>> to ride it and see how I like it, and what I can learn from it. And >>>>>>>>> since I >>>>>>>>> always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that provides a handy >>>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>>> reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the handlebar cross >>>>>>>>> tube is >>>>>>>>> always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it matches the ancient >>>>>>>>> rule >>>>>>>>> that if you put your elbow against the tip of the saddle, the finger >>>>>>>>> tips >>>>>>>>> should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go from 70 to 100 mm, >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a 25 inch >>>>>>>>> (63.5 cm) >>>>>>>>> Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube length (effective) >>>>>>>>> ranges from 56 to 59 cm. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube length >>>>>>>>> should be, and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy a Roadini, >>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>> thought has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a fairly small frame. >>>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>> my 6 ft height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and 61 cm size for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Roadini, and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that would be my >>>>>>>>> size, and >>>>>>>>> the stem would have to be short, which doesn't look good to my eyes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw country >>>>>>>>> (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, I like 32 mm >>>>>>>>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm >>>>>>>>> Paselas, >>>>>>>>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I see no >>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>> to go wide on asphalt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To buy any bicycle: >>>>>>>>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the target >>>>>>>>> roads and routes. >>>>>>>>> - decide if you'll mount fenders. >>>>>>>>> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first criteria, >>>>>>>>> and see if you can find your size. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or Raleigh >>>>>>>>> is the way to find your setup... most of the parts will move right >>>>>>>>> over, >>>>>>>>> plus it's fun. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers -mathias >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE4jEj97AP4%2Bnn5d1B_DwPhfgo%2BQApyF9Rmh8nzRe8GSAQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CA%2BkTrE4jEj97AP4%2Bnn5d1B_DwPhfgo%2BQApyF9Rmh8nzRe8GSAQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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