Yessss!! We should start a separate thread of Rivendells rolling on tubulars...
BTW, check out these babies <https://us.challengetires.com/products?product_model_ids=55110,55010,55012,55176,55136,55084,55071,&preferred_region=233>... 36 <https://us.challengetires.com/shop/products/strada-bianca-2/55014> and 40 <https://us.challengetires.com/shop/products/strada-bianca-5/71439> mm wide tubeless tubulars. Yes, you read that right. I happen to have a set of the 36es, and lemme tell ya – the ride is amazing! - Max "totally tubular, man!" in A2 On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 6:07:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Max S said "Dooooo eeeeeet! " > > I did not "Dooooo eeeeeet! " > I did not even do "eeeeeet!" > but I did do "it" > > I finally made an offer and got an all metal tubular wheel set on eBay > that can go on my Rivendell Legolas. It's another set of HED Ardennes > wheels, which make them interchangeable with a few other bikes. The wheel > set comes with a set of cross knobbies, which need to be glued, or maybe > I'll use some 30mm road tires that I've already got handy. Max made me doo > eeet. > > BL in EC > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 5:54:54 PM UTC-8 Max S wrote: > >> Dooooo eeeeeet! >> >> - Max "Knock-knock... Hi! Have you heard the good news about carbon >> tubulars?.." in A2 >> >> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 2:26:30 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> I have a tubular wheel set for my Roadeo also. We're a GANG >>> >>> BL in EC >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 11:15:09 AM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Max - >>>> >>>> If you are one of two people worldwide that run sew-ups on a Riv, I am >>>> the other one. I had Rich build a set of wheels for sew-ups so I could run >>>> them on any of four Rivs (my wife would not tolerate 33mm tires on the >>>> Hubbuhubbuh after riding 71mm tires). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Corwin >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:15:09 AM UTC-8 Max S wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was:* >>>>> *Off With 'is 'ead!!!* >>>>> *Pure blasphemy. I love it." * >>>>> >>>>> Well, yes, thank you – shock and awe was part of the intent for this >>>>> Halloween special "Iron Pumpkin" build :-) >>>>> BTW, those wheels are tubulars... I might be one of two people >>>>> worldwide that run sew-up tires on a Riv?.. >>>>> >>>>> - Max "totally tubular" in A2 >>>>> On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 6:25:59 AM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> @Max >>>>>> My first thought when I saw your RIvendell was: >>>>>> Off With 'is 'ead!!! >>>>>> Pure blasphemy. I love it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I reckon we can't complain -- they don't make SILVER carbon wheels >>>>>> yet. You're forgiven. >>>>>> >>>>>> [Extra blather: Personally, I can't get into single speed. I went as >>>>>> far as not shifting for a week on my commute in order to see if I wanted >>>>>> to >>>>>> go SS for that purpose. >>>>>> Can't do it. Even my snow bike has an IGH and I use the low and >>>>>> middle gears every ride.] >>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 6:50:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Now *that's* got to be the most different, unique, idiosyncratic >>>>>>> Rivendell build I've seen; kudos for doing things your way! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reminds me of a mountain bike I saw parked at my WDC apartment back >>>>>>> about 1987 with (IIRC) Scott AT-4 bar, disc wheels, and 1.5" Fatboy >>>>>>> slicks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM Max S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's my favorite Riv for pavement (and dirt) riding (tires and >>>>>>>> wheels are #1 and #2 concerns, saddle-to-bar drop is #3, and close >>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>> that is picking a reasonably fast color): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: QuickBeam - Enve 67 carbon wheels - drive side.jpeg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Max "orange you glad I didn't say banana?" in A2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:18:43 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chuck, I believe the best Rivendell for pavement riding is >>>>>>>>> whichever Rivendell that fits you well and is comfortable for your >>>>>>>>> body, >>>>>>>>> that pleases you mechanically and aesthetically, that is within your >>>>>>>>> budget, and that accomplishes whatever goals for the type of riding >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> hope to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You said you will be riding mostly on pavement. Pavement riding is >>>>>>>>> a broad category, and there are many different modes and types of it. >>>>>>>>> Will >>>>>>>>> it be "practical" pavement riding (like commuting or hauling stuff >>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>> supermarket), relaxed cruising on a weekend morning, or racing in a >>>>>>>>> group? >>>>>>>>> Will you occasionally venture off road? All of the above? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One of the things that makes Rivs so wonderful is their >>>>>>>>> versatility. This is what I value about Rivs above all else, which is >>>>>>>>> why I >>>>>>>>> gravitate to the various All Rounders. An Atlantis, for example, can >>>>>>>>> be set >>>>>>>>> up many different ways and it will be brilliant in the various >>>>>>>>> guises. Swap >>>>>>>>> a handlebar or tires (either wider or narrower, or to or from slicks >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> knobbies) and you have a bike with different character suited for a >>>>>>>>> different type of riding, all while retaining the Rivendell feel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want a "road" bike strictly speaking, there are a lot of >>>>>>>>> great suggestions in this thread. In the end it comes back to your >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> subjectivity, and your sense of the kind of riding you will be doing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck with your search! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Chuck--as you asked about the Appaloosa and a drop-bar >>>>>>>>>> alternative, I'll chime in: I have a 51" 650B Appaloosa with Nitto >>>>>>>>>> Choco bars >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-100mm-sleeve-tandem-162491>, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> which Riv describes thus: "It's also good for road bikes instead of >>>>>>>>>> a drop >>>>>>>>>> bar, when you want a close grip and a totally perfect next-to-stem >>>>>>>>>> grip. >>>>>>>>>> It's the best bar we have for that." I really like these bars, as I >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> grab the flats when going fast, downhill, or against wind, and the >>>>>>>>>> swept-back part is super comfortable otherwise. It's not a super >>>>>>>>>> wide bar; >>>>>>>>>> never feels out of place even on narrower paths or in traffic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I bought the Appa as a mixed-terrain bike, as a true allrounder, >>>>>>>>>> and I right now have a rack on it (and fenders, soon--just got my >>>>>>>>>> Velo >>>>>>>>>> Orange wavys delivered). I mostly ride it on smooth roads, and it's >>>>>>>>>> a fun >>>>>>>>>> bike for that, even up hills. Roadbike? No, not nimble and light to >>>>>>>>>> go on >>>>>>>>>> group fast rides, but totally smooth and comfortable for long rides. >>>>>>>>>> If I >>>>>>>>>> had two Riv bikes, I might get a Ram or a Roadini in addition to the >>>>>>>>>> App - >>>>>>>>>> but for just one bike that can do all kinds of things really well, >>>>>>>>>> the Appa >>>>>>>>>> is wonderful! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8 [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I own a 54cm Roadini (for myself) and a 50cm (for my son who >>>>>>>>>>> will soon outgrow his Salsa Journeyman). I'd set up my Roadini as a >>>>>>>>>>> gravel >>>>>>>>>>> bike with wide tires but recently a friend borrowed my son's >>>>>>>>>>> Roadini for >>>>>>>>>>> her first ride over a dirt path in less than dry conditions I >>>>>>>>>>> swapped the >>>>>>>>>>> wheels on both bikes. Having done that work I decided to start >>>>>>>>>>> riding the >>>>>>>>>>> Roadini for my commute again, and it's such a nice bike for >>>>>>>>>>> pavement >>>>>>>>>>> riding. I would be very happy if the Roadini was the only bike I >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> allowed to ride. A wheel/tire swap is all it takes to switch its >>>>>>>>>>> personality. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Picture of the 50mm gold Roadini with 40mm Conti Terraspeed >>>>>>>>>>> tires: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/9xe97P72TVC9kT6ezib43w.ApcagsQcybWcV2qpmaE8je >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:46:26 AM UTC-8 [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mathias, Max, Damien, thanks. A lot of good information in your >>>>>>>>>>>> posts. Riding and experimenting with different models may be the >>>>>>>>>>>> only way >>>>>>>>>>>> to find that "perfect" bike, if there is such a thing. I have to >>>>>>>>>>>> admit that >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been riding an All City Space Horse for a while now, which I >>>>>>>>>>>> picked up >>>>>>>>>>>> to see me through while I wait on the "right" Rivendell to become >>>>>>>>>>>> available. It's actually very comfortable and stable, but a bit >>>>>>>>>>>> heavy for >>>>>>>>>>>> the hills. The 52cm model I have has similar chainstay, wheelbase, >>>>>>>>>>>> head >>>>>>>>>>>> tube angle, stack, and reach to a 50cm Roadini, so maybe I should >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied with what I have? I don't know. I am rethinking the >>>>>>>>>>>> requirement I >>>>>>>>>>>> have had in my mind for drop handlebars, though. Some of the Nitto >>>>>>>>>>>> bars >>>>>>>>>>>> (Losco, Choco, Albastache) look like they could be fine for long >>>>>>>>>>>> distance >>>>>>>>>>>> road riding with multiple positions that could mimic some of those >>>>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>>>> drop bar. And they might work better with the longish top tubes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 12:27:31 PM UTC-5 Damien wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a Sam up until recently but sold it and have very >>>>>>>>>>>>> recently replaced with a Ram which I've yet to get out on (am >>>>>>>>>>>>> going to swap >>>>>>>>>>>>> out the Albatross currently on them for drop bars). Not sure what >>>>>>>>>>>>> size >>>>>>>>>>>>> you're looking at, but the thing for me was I wanted a 700c bike, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam that fit me (51) was 650b. I had a Roadini in size 50 which >>>>>>>>>>>>> was great, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but ended up selling that and keeping the Sam as it better met my >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the time (dragging kids around, carrying random stuff, more mixed >>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff). Sam is great, but didn't feel as quick (subjective) and >>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely more sluggish in its handling on road - felt a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>> like overkill >>>>>>>>>>>>> tbh. I attribute most of that to set up and the chunky tire size >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> using on the Sam (650b x 48 on Sam vs. 700 x 32 on Roadini). I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would say if >>>>>>>>>>>>> you go with the Sam for your use, 42 would be the ideal tire size >>>>>>>>>>>>> (as >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone mentioned earlier!). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't wait to get out on the Ram to see how I like it, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> if it's anything like the Roadini, I feel I'll be on a setup that >>>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>>> sense for the type of riding that I do - which seems similar to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the type of >>>>>>>>>>>>> riding you'll be doing! Hope that is in some way helpful! >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday 5 March 2024 at 08:44:06 UTC-5 Max S wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really great points made by Mathias, and also by Patrick in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his post about iterating... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the easiest way to find a good bike is to set your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> budget and then make a post whose subject starts with "WTB:.. " >>>>>>>>>>>>>> – all sorts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of cool and awesome bikes will emerge that fit your criteria! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Max "it's a journey" in A2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 8:14:36 AM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chuck, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've never owned a Rivendell, so I believe it's important I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chime in... because of this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold), but I think it was too big for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It probably wasn't too "big", it was probably too long in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the top tube. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the current Riv idea space, the Albatross is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handlebar of choice. The one Grant says he'll ride when he's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old. I'd argue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can't build a bike that accomodates swept back AND drop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handlebars for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same rider in the same size. The difference is only a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cm, but they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to pick one bike every year and build it from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame up, to ride it and see how I like it, and what I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And since I always use a Brooks B17 and a Nitto Noodle, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handy size reference. The distance from the saddle tip to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handlebar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross tube is always the same when I'm done fitting it.. and it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient rule that if you put your elbow against the tip of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saddle, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finger tips should just reach the handlebar. Stem lengths go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 70 to 100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mm, on frames ranging from from a 52 cm Bruce Gordon BLT to a a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25 inch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (63.5 cm) Cannondale ST600 to and a few in between. Top tube >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (effective) ranges from 56 to 59 cm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So figure out what YOUR saddle/bar distance or top tube >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length should be, and find your size accordingly. Were I to buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Roadini, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the thought has crossed my mind, I'd have to go for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame. For my 6 ft height and 89 cm PBH, I'm between the 57 and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 61 cm size >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Roadini, and the 57 cm has a 59 cm top tube, so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size, and the stem would have to be short, which doesn't look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good to my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, our pavement here in freeze/thaw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country (mid-Michigan) is famously nasty, and for road riding, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like 32 mm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GP5000s... add some dirt roads, and I'm currently riding 35 mm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paselas, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which seem to roll pretty fast and do OK on loose surfaces. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see no reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go wide on asphalt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To buy any bicycle: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - decide on the tire you want to ride, which means pick the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> target roads and routes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - decide if you'll mount fenders. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - now look at the frames that will accomodate the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criteria, and see if you can find your size. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be that a detour through an older (~1980) Trek or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh is the way to find your setup... most of the parts will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over, plus it's fun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers -mathias >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/43ff7469-c029-4b2a-83bf-3ce31d020790n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8b54f56d-ff29-42e3-ade8-443e2c7ad161n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other >>>>>>> writing services >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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