Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 2013: https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote: > I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking > around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand > the evolution of the fork and color. > > I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's > been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. > > > On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also >> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand >> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps >> to attach the third bottle holder? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very >>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in >>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant >>> fork. >>> >>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg] >>> >>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it >>>> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. >>>> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet >>>> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the >>>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did >>>> you rig yours as an add-on? >>>> >>>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike. Light, nimble, and fluid yet >>>> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a >>>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in >>>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it >>>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. >>>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking good, Gary! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot <garyssc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg] >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't >>>>>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky >>>>>>>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. >>>>>>>> Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its >>>>>>>> best >>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leah - All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you >>>>>>>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing. 😁 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides >>>>>>>>> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! >>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth >>>>>>>>> tires >>>>>>>>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a >>>>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>>>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals >>>>>>>>> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ >>>>>>>>> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how >>>>>>>>> beautiful >>>>>>>>> the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd >>>>>>>>> feet >>>>>>>>> clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>> that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the >>>>>>>>> roadie-culture promoted bike, shoes, or clothing :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leah, I wish you the best on your road bike journey! I admire your >>>>>>>>> commitment to Rivendells (an easy brand to commit to honestly), and >>>>>>>>> hope a >>>>>>>>> Roadeo comes along either at a good deal or with beautiful lugs to >>>>>>>>> add to >>>>>>>>> your hella colorful collection >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Brent in chicago >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:25:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is SO fun. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Diana, yes please post here as you make your observations/get >>>>>>>>>> your answers. Valerie, your bikes are so cool. Heck, YOU are so >>>>>>>>>> cool. Here >>>>>>>>>> you were, all this time, and you have so much to offer us here; I >>>>>>>>>> truly >>>>>>>>>> hope we get to hear from you regularly after this. Philip, I agree >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> the Roadini. I think Valerie’s photos were helpful (and yours of the >>>>>>>>>> updated model, too) and show the CHG to be less club-ridey than I >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> hoping for. That Roadeo looks like just the ticket, though. A >>>>>>>>>> Roadini >>>>>>>>>> should be a great choice. Now, do I wait for the lugged versions or >>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>> for a 50 on the used market? So far there have been none to be found… >>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 3:46:00 PM UTC-4 philip....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Me either! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m team Roadini for Leah, for sure! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All this talk has me jonesing for that very big red Road custom >>>>>>>>>>> currently on offer at a very reasonable price… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:37 PM, Valerie Yates <vya...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Philip - Agreed! My observations on this version may be >>>>>>>>>>> entirely irrelevant to the production version. Although, I will add >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> nothing in that picture says go-fast club rides to me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-6 philip....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting how differently that Gallop looks, and presumably >>>>>>>>>>>> feels, compared to the larger, presumably production verison of >>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>> bike, without the swoopy TT, currently at Riv: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6222] >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 10, 2024, at 12:23 PM, Jason Fuller <jtf.f...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Valerie - gorgeous trio of bikes, thank you for sharing. The >>>>>>>>>>>> three shown in that order makes it look like the Roadeo morphs >>>>>>>>>>>> into a >>>>>>>>>>>> Hillibike and the CHG is the intermediate stage, which is both >>>>>>>>>>>> funny and >>>>>>>>>>>> also indicative of its purpose and ride quality, which I'm sure >>>>>>>>>>>> lands >>>>>>>>>>>> squarely in between also! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:15 PM Valerie Yates < >>>>>>>>>>>> vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've made an album with pics of my Roadeo, CHG, and Susie. Link >>>>>>>>>>>>> to album <https://photos.app.goo.gl/8eFj66p3qGijaC7t5>. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> album includes a poor quality picture of the Gallop with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> albastache >>>>>>>>>>>>> bars that were on it when it arrived. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah - the drop from Will's saddle to bars was an intentional >>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. He chose a smaller frame with a raised up saddle to >>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve a >>>>>>>>>>>>> racier position. My bars on the Roadeo are set fairly level with >>>>>>>>>>>>> my saddle. >>>>>>>>>>>>> With drop-bar bikes, I tend to choose the frame with the minimum >>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary >>>>>>>>>>>>> stand-over clearance to ensure I can have level bars without >>>>>>>>>>>>> having to >>>>>>>>>>>>> raise them up high in a way that looks funky to me. I am not a >>>>>>>>>>>>> weight-weenie but perhaps worth mentioning that the Roadeo as >>>>>>>>>>>>> shown with >>>>>>>>>>>>> bags but minus pump is 25 lbs and 11 ounces. The Gallop, minus >>>>>>>>>>>>> lock and >>>>>>>>>>>>> pump, is 34 pounds. Some of the difference is my dynamo hub, >>>>>>>>>>>>> lights, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> and racks. I'd guess 5-6 pounds is the difference without those >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessories. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a collage for anyone who doesn't want to follow the >>>>>>>>>>>>> link. I measured from front to rear drop-out and both the Roadeo >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Gallop >>>>>>>>>>>>> are 175. Looking at where the vertical segment of the garage door >>>>>>>>>>>>> intersects the frame is pretty interesting. I don't really >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand how >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the extra space in the Gallop frame is achieved. Riv magic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <Bike Collage.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>> diana....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chiming in to say that this particular conversation comes at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a great time for me! I was planning to buy the Roadini, but this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread is causing me to second guess. Leah, I'm planning to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Riv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> June sometime and ask them all the questions about Roadini vs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHG. I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure to post what I learn. Until then, fun to speculate and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others thoughts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 6:54:37 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valerie, I am also looking forward to your photos. I love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show and tell! Thank you for your posts which I have started >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the big thing is that the gallop was designed for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sweptback bars and the roadini was not. In the world of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell I am not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what that equates to because most of their bikes can go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either way and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant has said that is true here too if you use a short stem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement tells me that the effective top tube on the gallop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most likely the wheelbase will be as well. If I can figure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure those things well I can give it a shot on my prototype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and assuming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the end geometry is pretty similar to the production model we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some info. Points for the gallop would be 1. Just different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a go fast bike that still turns some heads 2. Geometry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better fit for an alternative cockpit if you don't like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drops. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Downside to the gallop is that the lower top tube allows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger size to fit better. I think its a good guess that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steer people that way and you likely would be very comfy on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> size similar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the larger Platy but I think doing that might make drops a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit harder to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be comfortable on. It would likely need a very very short >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stem. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thats not a downside it just makes the sizing discussion a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little more open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the gallop than the Roadini. But wiht the new 50cm platy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packed with all sorts of sizing and comfort information to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rely on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise weight and tubing specs are probably pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar between the two >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:03:31 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woah, that’s a pretty steep drop from Will’s saddle to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bars for me! But it’s pretty. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I look forward to your photos, Valerie, and how I wish I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lived in your neighborhood so I could bring my saddle and try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it all boils down, it’s this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking to see what it’s like to ride a stripped-down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roadish Rivendell and see how that affects my performance on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group rides. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell offers 2 (not counting the hard-to-obtain Roadeo) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> road bikes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their lineup and I’m trying to differentiate between them and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see which one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is better for me. I hope they can make that clear in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description when the time comes for them to launch the CHG. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get to chat and speculate and evaluate here and it is loads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of fun! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, thank you again to everyone for sharing your wisdom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with me. Keep it coming! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 9:46 PM, P W <philip....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, as soon as I hit send, I thought: “It’s a Riv, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bet the tire clearance is actually massive!” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 😂 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For how a go-fast Riv roadie could and should look, what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better source of inspiration than Will’s: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See also: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <441164476_1599207264208847_1445036392027071003_n.jpg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calling in Sick Magazine on Instagram: "#bikecheck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #willkeating @rivbike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch and share reels with friends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6cHN2vyLoM/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P. W. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Valerie Yates < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also Philip - I have 700x50 tires on my Gallop, so it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just for skinny tires. 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