thank you all for the feedback! helps a lot especially w that last photo 

i’m planning on putting the billie bars on a homer hilsen w a tallux stem - 
i have both thumbies and bar ends. i enjoy the length of the albatross but 
wish i had a little bit more room for different riding positions 

On Wednesday, June 5, 2024 at 5:37:38 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Raf, having used Albatross bars - with bar ends - as well as Billies with 
> thumb shifters I have to second Jim's and Glen's suggestions. Here's a pic 
> of the Billies on my Platypus.  The Billies are great for varying your hand 
> position. 
>
> [image: 5D038467-8997-43B3-9CBB-1B1DF9ADC3A4_1_201_a.jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 12:06:52 PM UTC-4 Glen wrote:
>
>> I had the same experience with bar ends as Jim with my Albatross bars and 
>> switched to Billies with thumb (L) & trigger (R) shifters. I would not like 
>> bar ends on Billies unless I had a very long stem, were talking 
>> unobtainable long. I love the extra hand position in front of the grips for 
>> heads down riding and the closer hand position when on the grips. 
>>
>> Spend some time riding with your hands on the shifter pods & levers to 
>> get an idea of the Billy Bar relaxed on the grips position. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 8:03:01 AM UTC-6 Jim in Mpls wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Raf
>>> What bike are you thinking of putting Billies on? 
>>> They come back quite a bit, so if your bike wasn't necessarily designed 
>>> for upright bars with a long front end(like current Rivs), you may run into 
>>> problems with bar end shifters.
>>> I put a set on my 96 All-Rounder, and kept hitting my knees on the bar 
>>> end shifters. I switched to thumb shifters,  because I love the extra hand 
>>> positions with the Billies over the Albatross bars.
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 4:54:39 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Raf,
>>>> I have an Albatross on my Toyo Atlantis.
>>>> But on the MIT Atlantis with long top tube,  I preferred the Billie bar 
>>>> specially the longer grip area which allows me to have more area to grip 
>>>> on 
>>>> the bend part.
>>>> But I use thumb shifters on the Billie :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:49:14 PM UTC+8 turmoili...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hello all
>>>>>
>>>>> i wanted to get some opinions on the billie bars - im debating getting 
>>>>> some for a current build with bar-end shifters. i used to ride drop bars, 
>>>>> but making the switch ( i have albatross bars currently)
>>>>>
>>>>> curious to know if ppl here ride them/ favorite bike set up with them? 
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> raf
>>>>>
>>>>>

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