To chime in as a long time 59cm Clem (H) rider: I have the first run version which has a shorter top tube than the current L versions. The H might possibly have gotten a longer top tube at some point before it was discontinued. I've hemmed/hawed over the years about 'upgrading' to an Atlantis or Appa, and after digging in to geometry charts, it appears my Clem is nearly identical geometrically to the Appa in a similar size, so I'm sticking with what I have. This is all to say if anyone if looking at the used market for an H (not mine, not for sale), it'd be worth it to get an actual measurement of the top tube. David (been a long while since I've participated on this list)
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 8:46:40 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > Thanks, Garth. I hadn't followed the model's genesis. > > Can any owner and rider say how the H compares in handling and overall > "fit and feel" to the L? > > Does anyone know where to find the geom specs for the H? > > Thanks. > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 11:27 AM Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Patrick, the first Clems were made in 2 styles, the normal top tube (H)is >> and the low tube (L)adies, originally called Clementine., an awesome name. >> The story I read alleges "someone" took offense to the frame >> name/designation, so apparently Grant gave in to the insanity and changed >> it. Well I'm so offended by anyone who had a thing against the name >> designations Clementine and Ladies. (tongue in cheek). No what ? (( >> laughing )). Those frames are a bit shorter in the front end than the >> current model design that began in 2019 or so. What you may pay for any of >> them has everything to do with whatever satisfies the seller. Could be >> nothing, $20, $2000. (( shrugs and a smile )). >> On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 12:52:23 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >> >>> What is the difference between the Clem L and the Clem H? Are there any >>> other Clem models besides the L and H? If so, pray, what? And how are they >>> different from the L and H? >>> >>> Last question: Are any of these models likely to be cheaper on the used >>> market than others? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 10:25 AM Tristen Moss <triste...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> At this point I’m pretty dead set on a 59 Clem L. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Monday, September 2, 2024 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-7 Tom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very welcome. Have you considered a used H model in a 59? >>>> >>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1601af4d-fe0d-421b-b7ff-9168982497bfn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1601af4d-fe0d-421b-b7ff-9168982497bfn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing > services > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* > > *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* > > *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/995b8f5d-8a98-4963-b9fb-05824355ad26n%40googlegroups.com.
