Hahaha, I love this conversation. I agree with Bill Lindsay on almost anything he writes except for his argument that the primary use of a bike named the Roaduno is as a two speed!
What I think happened is that Grant designed a single speed, named it a Roaduno, and then thought, wait, what other cool/not usual ways can I set this up that captures my style and desire for a bike. that is his way to ride the bike and he popped a derailer hanger and a shifter boss on there to make that easy. But only Grant could settle this debate that I am sure will take over the internet, wink wink. Edwin On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > "Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use > as the single speed signified by the name?" > > This is fascinating. An individual implicitly shows an utter disregard > for bicycles' apparent intended use by serially converting all possible > platforms to fixies. That individual doubles-down on that disregard by > brainstorming a way to build a Clem as a fixie. That same individual then > makes a post explicitly stating that the only opinion about anything that > matters is their own opinion. And then, with extreme earnestness, argues > that the NAME of a bicycle model pigeonholes the intended use for that > bicycle. > > Can you please list the other bicycle models in the history of Earth that > encode their specific intent in their name? If that list is empty, then > why is this the one bike in the history of Earth that is defined by your > interpretation of its name? > > It has custom proprietary track ends that have a dedicated hanger for a > tensioner. I call that the intent that the build include a tensioner. I > am pretty sure it is the only production bike on earth with a dedicated > single-purpose tensioner hanger. > It is the only current production bike on earth (I'm pretty sure) with a > solo left-side down tube shifter boss. I call that the intent that the > build include a left side shifter. > The complete comes with a triple crank set with two chain rings. I call > that the intent that the build include two or three chain rings. > The complete comes with a single freewheel (1, one, Uno). > Grant's build is not a single speed. Grant celebrates and encourages > using a cool old freebie derailleur as your tensioner. I call that the > intent to run it as an Nx1, NxOne, NxUno. > > I think the primary intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and I think that is a > genius format. If I had to impart meaning on the name RoadUno, I guess I > would say it's in reference to the single freewheel in back and the 120mm > O.L.D. I also think they had the name and the artwork and the headbadge > before the bike design was finished in its evolution. That's why I call my > RoadUno a RoDeuxNo. Maybe I'll make decal mods on mine. > > I think people who want a fixie with a Rivendell head badge on it can > absolutely get that by building their RoadUno as a fixie. If that's what > they decide to do, I hope they love it. I think people who want a single > speed A Homer Hilsen can absolutely get that by building up their RoadUno > as a single speed. If that's what they do, I hope they love it. I think > the clear PRIMARY intent of the RoadUno is a 2x1, and if Riv had gone > ALL-IN on that primary intent, they would have gone with vertical dropouts. > I like the track ends. I like how they look, and I like that they are > proprietary. I like that they look like a monster. I like the rack eyelet > they present. I have a rear-hub workaround that will achieve the wheel > removal ease of vertical dropouts, and will also enable a perfect fender > treatment, which is the other benefit of vertical dropouts. I think the > track ends earn an ALTERNATIVE build option for those who don't want to go > with the primary intent of the bike. I get it that some people hate the > look of a tensioner, or just dislike the existence of a tensioner. I'm > sure somebody is going to take their dremel tool to the hanger on their > RoadUno, which they have every right to do. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 8:14:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> I think about only 1 cyclist when I insist that he ride a Rivendell fixed >> instead of single speed, and that 1 is me; or rather, I. That 1 is I, if >> you see what I (1) mean. >> >> I don't care if someone rides a Roaduno fixed or free or multispeed; my >> question bears on facts and not morals. But if I got one, I'd certainly set >> it up fixed, or perhaps fixed/free. >> >> Wouldn't verticals make the frame less apt for its apparent intended use >> as the single speed signified by the name? >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 11:14 PM Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> ... What are the reasons why you think any individual cyclist should or >>> would prefer riding fixed on a RoadUno over riding a single speed with a >>> freewheel? I've got like 7 or 8 reasons why I would never set up my new >>> RoadUno as a fixie*. Do you have any reasons why I would or should set up >>> my new RoadUno as a fixie? >>> >> >>> *In fact, I'm so convinced in my thinking, that my mind is made up that >>> the RoadUno should have come with vertical dropouts. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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