My first reply was in regard to the preferred placement of the DT bottle 
mounts as I don't use the seat tube mount for riding access, just carrying. 
I'm tall also and yes, my knees can at times brush a tall bottle. I 
resorted to using a standard bottle at one time, then just went to the 
bottom DT mount all the time instead, relegating the ST mount for a small 
narrow bag that fits in a bottle cage.  As I mentioned, Wolftooth makes 
B-RAD adapters that you can move a cage up or down. If you really wanted to 
move the bottles use two and rearrange to your liking. Made of aluminum. 
https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/b-rad-bottle-relocation-and-accessory-device?variant=27315032837
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0230/9291/files/INSTRUCTIONS_BASE_2.pdf?219

I suspect most Riv frames with the megastays can take a large mounted 
bottle behind the ST, even with fenders. Even a pump of course. Even my 
Franklin with 18" chainstays I carry a full Topeak Road Morph behind the 
ST. 

On Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "if for some reason Bill abandoned RWB Owners bunch"
>
> LOL.  I'm leaving feet first.  Bet on that.  
>
> TRIVIA Question:  If you know the answer, keep it to yourself for a little 
> bit.  If you don't know, go look it up.  It probably will surprise you.  
>
> Q:  Water bottle bolts on "all" bicycles are the same spacing.  Any water 
> bottle cage will fit on any frame with bolts.  Who invented that bolt 
> spacing?  
>
> BL in EC
> On Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 11:30:16 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I like Jay's characterization of Bill's style as Socratic...very apt
>>
>> I used to think Bill could be a bit abrasive as well, but his depth of 
>> technical knowledge is matched by his impressive stable of bikes that he 
>> actually rides....and I know he did and maybe still does do such pro-bono 
>> things as coach mountain-bike racing. I was also impressed that he 
>> graciously and publicly admitted that he can come across as somewhat  
>> harsh. That being said, if for some reason Bill abandoned RWB Owners bunch, 
>> I think our community would be the poorer for it. I for one would miss his 
>> insightful posts and dry wit.
>>
>> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>>
>> On Sunday, September 22, 2024 at 1:10:08 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:
>>
>>> Completely with Jay 
>>>
>>> EricF
>>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Sept 2024 at 10:51, Jay Lonner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill, 
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your online persona and believe (perhaps naively) that I 
>>>> discern an almost Socratic intent behind some of your more pointed 
>>>> commentary. We’re all works in progress of course, but for what it’s worth 
>>>> I wouldn’t put too much effort into accommodating the sensibilities of 
>>>> internet randos. (As an internet rando myself I recognize the 
>>>> contradiction 
>>>> inherent in that statement, but I’ll follow my own advice and not worry 
>>>> about it.)
>>>>
>>>> Torn on whether it’d be preferable to send this to you privately, but I 
>>>> figure a public callout merits a public response.
>>>>
>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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