That account has been removed from the group.  They made numerous attempts 
at posting to other threads with items for sale. 

If they contact you or any other list member directly, I would strongly 
suggest additional verification. 

- Jim / List Admin

On Saturday, September 21, 2024 at 7:44:31 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> I was contacted about this post by “Tom River” from moima...@gmail.com. 
>
> It appears to be a sketchy account with no prior posts on our list and 
> offering to sell an adult bike for my daughter. If anyone knows this person 
> and can vouch for them that’d be great, but otherwise I think others should 
> be aware of a possible scam:
>
> This is certainly not a kids bike they’re offering to seem me for $420 and 
> asking for contact “ASAP”:
> [image: image0.jpeg]
> Abe
>
> On Sep 20, 2024, at 9:53 AM, Pancake <abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Passionately home they make the Rosco Kid Bike! But it needs V-brakes!
>
>
> I’ve been looking for another used Woom 4 (20” tires) or 5 (24” wheels) as 
> my daughter grows up, but they’re terribly pricy new or used. 
>
> The Wooms wisely has V-brakes and hand brakes front and rear. Learning 
> hand braking is both a valuable skill and a safer, more effective way for 
> kids as young as three to ride. 
>
> The advantage of the v-brakes also allow for the easy install of a Sunlite 
> front rack - that would solve where to put a water bottle or lunch box for 
> their ride to school, tackle box for their fishing ride to the pond.
>
> There are highly adjustable reach for v-brake levers too - like on the 
> Woom getting the lever close to the hand grip makes it easy for short 
> fingers to reach the brake quickly. 
>
> As I live only 30 minutes from Walnut Creek I volunteered daughters as 
> prototype test riders! Let me spend $450 at Riv instead of Woom!
>
> Abe “the kids are too big for the Rosco Baby Bike now” in Napa 
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 4:22:51 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Wow Patrick that's some origin story....goes a long way towards 
>> explaining your propensity for fixed gear bikes
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 18, 2024 at 7:39:24 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> You've convinced me that hand brakes aren't hard for beginning children 
>>> cyclists; I suppose if a child is old enough and coordinated enough to 
>>> backpedal to stop he or she can grab a lever.
>>>
>>> One advantage of coaster brakes is that they're generally set and 
>>> forget. As long as the chain is not hugely loose they'll work as well as 
>>> day 1 after months and even years of neglect. Calipers, OTOH: most parents 
>>> will buy Target or Costco children's bikes. I've spent much time making the 
>>> calipers or V brakes or cantilevers on inexpensive bikes work minimally 
>>> well; just did that a few weeks ago for the front brake on the bike 
>>> belonging to the 11 year old son of a friend; the brake was -- again -- 
>>> useless. The rear was not much better but at least it didn't get worse. 
>>> This after I'd done a complete brake cable and housing refit and full 
>>> adjustment 6 or 8 months ago.
>>>
>>> I guess my only real points are: coaster brakes are not harmful, and 
>>> they do have their advantages.
>>>
>>> Me, I learned to ride age 4 -- 65 years ago -- on a brakeless fixie; no 
>>> kidding. I have distinct memories of the rather intimidating blonde sisters 
>>> next door (they might have been 9 and 11) teaching me to ride a tiny, 
>>> rust-red 12"-or-so-wheel bike with solid spokes and hard rubber tires and 
>>> -- again, I have distinct memories from even so long ago for bike stuff -- 
>>> no coasting. They -- probably gleefully -- perched me on it and pushed me 
>>> off down our sloping driveway into the street. Very short driveway, very 
>>> quiet residential street. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 4:53 PM Ted Durant <tedd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2024, at 3:29 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just read Ted's post. I retract the second part, maybe -- instance is 
>>>> not a statistic -- but not the first part of my assertion!
>>>>
>>>>> … As just one of the dozens of generations of small children learning 
>>>>> to ride on coaster braked bikes (but *) I think someone was thinking 
>>>>> about 
>>>>> things far, far too hard. And there’s more! Can you imagine bike-clueless 
>>>>> parents teaching wildly uncoordinated children how to safely use caliper 
>>>>> brakes?? "Now Junior or Missy, remember that your rear brake is activated 
>>>>> by the *right* lever but that your *left* lever activates the *front* 
>>>>> brake 
>>>>> which does 80% of the braking. Got that, Junior/Missy?”
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I noted, we adjusted the front brake so that it didn’t provide much 
>>>> power, just for that reason. We did that on the balance bike, and on the 
>>>> pedal bike we didn’t feel we needed to depower it as much because he had 
>>>> internalized well the difference between the left brake and the right 
>>>> brake. Woom helpfully colors the levers differently, so you don’t coach 
>>>> them on front/rear or left/right, it’s just green and black. The rear 
>>>> lever 
>>>> is green, so you just coach them to use the green one to start, then when 
>>>> they really get moving you teach them about straight line braking with 
>>>> both 
>>>> brakes. 
>>>>
>>>> I don’t think coaster brakes are dangerous at kid-bike speeds and 
>>>> weights. I didn’t have any trouble learning to use the one on the 
>>>> solid-tired bike I inherited from my older brother 57 years ago. But 
>>>> eventually hand-operated brakes will have to be learned, and I see value 
>>>> in 
>>>> separating the braking function from the pedaling function. Also, I don’t 
>>>> think most children are wildly uncoordinated, just unskilled. The vast 
>>>> majority of children acquire physical skills very quickly with a bit of 
>>>> repetition and a few mistakes, er, learning opportunities. My grandson 
>>>> only 
>>>> needed to grab the black brake lever hard once to learn to be careful of 
>>>> that one, and at the speed he was going the consequences were scary but 
>>>> not 
>>>> physically damaging.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Durant
>>>> Milwaukee WI USA
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