I doubt you'll find many universal opinions on this because everyone is 
built differently and has different preferences (and lives in different 
places with different roads & terrain) but here's my personal experience.

With newer Rivendell's the top tube length has been quite a bit longer. I 
have long legs for my height as well (6' 1"/92pbh) and would be sized for a 
61 Roadini but would have to get a 57 for the top tube to work. The non 
road oriented frames have been more extreme for the swept back bars they 
presume people will put on them. I notice stem length affecting my position 
on a bike in an adverse way if it gets too short (under 70mm). I have an 
older Toyo Atlantis that I can run drops on comfortably but there is no 
way, with my build, that I'd be able to on the newer models if I went by 
their pbh charts. I've ridden newer ones at the shop (the 61 Roadini was a 
disaster for my build) but the only new-ish Riv I own is a Cheviot and it's 
one of my favorite riding bikes ever. The long chain stays do make 
transport harder, particularly in larger frame sizes. My Cheviot with the 
long stays feels good. My old Atlantis with the normal stays feels good. 
I'm not sold either way on that one.


On Saturday, October 5, 2024 at 9:17:12 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Welcome aboard.
>
> Frame sizing: I’ve not ridden any of Rivendell’s later (after 2010) models 
> but even with the earlier ones I was careful about top tube length and I 
> have the opposite build, more length in the torso.
>
> If you intend to install drop bars I’d very carefully consider top tube 
> length, in connection with seat tube angle and intended bar height, of 
> course, as slacker stas and higher bars reduce effective tt height.
>
> So much for general principles. Others can better speak about  the 
> particulars of newer models.
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 11:26 PM Peter Fray <peter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, 
>>
>> Keen to jump on the Riv bandwagon, I have some questions I would 
>> appreciate your opinion on. 
>> (Although opinion is a strong word for cyclists, let's say your 
>> *thoughts)*
>>
>> 1. PBH vs height - Do you also look at the height when selecting a bike 
>> size or only pbh? I have an unusually high pbh it seems - around 86 cm at 
>> 5'7" - and have my saddles and bars pretty high. When selecting a Riv frame 
>> size should I just look at the pbh and go for it - or should I factor in 
>> the height somewhere too?
>>
>> 2. 650b vs 700c - For those who have ridden both, would you have any 
>> suggestions for going either direction if one could choose between two 
>> frame sizes? I think the tyre and rim options for 700c are quite high and 
>> solely based on that I would consider this size.
>>
>> 3. JA/Atlantis go big or small - Considering how long the top tubes on 
>> these bikes have gotten do you think they lose the option to convert to 
>> drop bars? Analog cycles is a strong proponent of going as short as 0mm on 
>> the (threadless) stem and they are happy running flared bars on their 
>> really long bikes so probably there is room to push anyway..
>>
>> 4. long (er) chainstays - same as above, the chainstays are longer as 
>> compared to the previous models (for these bikes).. I read through older 
>> forum posts that have compared ride experiences with both and it seems 
>> there is a noticeable (good?) effect. For those of you who bought the newer 
>> versions for touring - is the longer chainstay a significant hindrance in 
>> transporting bikes or flying with them?
>>
>> Thank you for helping out, 
>> peter
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