Oh yeah, Calvin and I have spent some time together in the garage, that's for sure. Thanks for sharing.
On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote: > I think Jim has the largest collection of rapid risers among the forum so > quite appropriate that he shared the link! Thanks for posting, always fun > to watch Calvin's videos. This guy gave me the confidence to start working > on my bikes. > > On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 12:00:58 AM UTC-4 Danny wrote: > >> Thanks for the link, was an entertaining 5 minutes. Grant commented on >> the video, including a potential timeline for the Riv RR derailer (6-10 >> months!). >> >> Good vid, Calvin. I've been obsessed--maybe to a fault, maybe not--with >> RR derailers since 2005 or so, about that last year Shimano made them. I >> don't use them exclusively, because I have some perfectly working other >> derailers (big fan of the Shimano Altus M310 here...and Acera, etc). I may >> be less than 100 percent accurate with the timeline, but it's really close: >> Shimano made these from about 1999 to 2005. Disraeli gears (good site) may >> disagree, and I'd go with what he says. Shimano intro'd these to mtn bikes, >> not road, figuring mtb riders would be more receptive. But (as I recall) >> they intro'd it at the top levels--XTR, XT, LX, DEORE--and they couldn't >> get racers to use it, for fear of shifting the wrong way on a climb or >> something. And big mfrs were, for the most part, chicken to risk it. >> Shimano made the "mistake" of offering it as the freaky option to its >> normal derailers, and of course product mgrs opted for the normal ones. The >> Shimano came out with a line of RR ders for hybrid bikes for rich old guys, >> and that had no trickle-down effect, and probably even hurt them. But some >> of those derailers are magnificent in function (of course, it's Shimano) >> and value and looks. A few were super freak looking. My biz has bought all >> we could of them--maybe 200--and sold them, but (as somebody mentions >> below), we're working on "our own" version. Shimano won't remake it. I've >> asked, but who am I, and all Shimano cares about is the gigantic cmpanies >> spec'ing it, and they won't. So for 7 years now we've been plugging away, >> contacting makers, working with others nobody has ever heard of, and >> recently we've made a connection with a fairly famous maker. It's too early >> to say where it'll go, but by mid Nov we'll have drawings, and if all goes >> well, we'll have production in 6 months. In my experience, 6 months means >> 10 months, but whatever. There are lots of good normal derailers out there >> now. Another PLUS of RR: If you ghost shift, you shift to the easier gear. >> And both shifters move in the same direction for the same effect. Anyway--I >> am saying all this stuff because it seems relevant to this topic, not to >> promote my biz or to get. people jazzed on RR derailers. I am preemptively >> trying to fend off criticism here. Seriously, all we're doing it trying to >> resurrect a smart option from the past; not trying to kill off other >> derailers, not saying you're dumb if you don't like RR derailers. Just >> adding to the menu. >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 7:44 PM Pancake <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That was well worth it.Calvin is a funny and smart dude. Helpful and >>> entertaining 5 minutes. >>> >>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-7 J J wrote: >>> >>>> The great Calvin at Park Tool did a video on Rapid Rise. Definitely >>>> worth five minutes of your time if you have any love for or interest >>>> in these fantastic derailleurs. >>>> >>>> His conclusion is interesting and ironic — as are his omissions. I >>>> won’t spoil anything here, but check it out: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Frzlzs7w8 >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4b2e5e22-6444-4926-8e1b-d9e236aee28cn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4b2e5e22-6444-4926-8e1b-d9e236aee28cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b71dc3a6-cec3-4360-8549-1ee0ef893638n%40googlegroups.com.
