Jay - are you currently using "road" drop bars or "dirt drop" bars?  I've 
never tried the dirt drops myself and the limestone trails I ride are 
constructed from limestone "tailings," i.e., very finely crushed limestone 
with a lot of limestone dust in it which has then been compacted with a 
roller and I ride them with a regular road bike with road drop bars 
installed.  As I said, I've never tried the dirt drops, but they like they 
might be a good happy medium to what ails you.
George


On Wednesday, March 19, 2025 at 11:57:33 AM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> I tried some swept-back bars last year and didn't like them.  I've decided 
> to give them another chance.  The bike they're going on is used mainly 
> off-road, with a lot of short, steep climbs and descents.  The surface is 
> crushed limestone (not MTB trails).
>
> I'm wondering when I grip the bars where my hands should be in relation to 
> the front hub, head tube / stem?  
>
> If I'm too upright I think it will be difficult to climb out of the saddle 
> (I remember it felt hard to get the leverage, but that was a different 
> handlebar than I'll be trying).  If the bars are too far forward, well I 
> may as well use the drop bars I'll be swapping out.  I love drop bars, and 
> would ride them on this bike in the winter when it's mainly a road bike, 
> but on the trails (April to November) I want something so when I'm riding 
> around my body (back, arms, head) are in a better position, in particular 
> with the descents (when I'm riding the drop bars down a steep hill, I'm 
> tilting forward of course and when I raise my head it puts stress on my 
> cervical spine, which is a pre-existing issue).
>

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