"To start another tangent: How do the Roadini and the Roadeo (and the Roaduno, for that matter, leaving aside the drivetrain differences) compare in “feel” and handling to the Rambouillet?"
My non-answer is based on the limitation that I never owned a Rambouillet, so I can't describe the "feel" of all four bikes relative to each other. I think the lusty Ram-advocates on this thread never owned any of the other three bikes, so they won't be able to compare the "feel" either. Comparing the three that I have owned (Roadeo, Roadini, RoadUno), I think they are all excellent bikes and are very different bikes from each other. I don't think the Roadini or the RoadUno are appropriate for Patrick Moore because he insists on having his bars LOW and CLOSE, relatively speaking. The RoadUno and Roadini both get the bars too high and too far away for Patrick Moore's set up. So, that leaves the Roadeo. What are the reasons Patrick Moore would prefer a Roadeo over a Rambouillet? What are the reasons Patrick Moore (or anybody else) would prefer a Rambouillet over a Roadeo? For me it starts with the Geo-Chart. The 59 Roadeo is pretty much spot on for what I want for me. I could make a 58 Ram work, but I'd have to run a pretty darn long stem. A 60 would probably be my choice, but the standover would be a little close. If we take as gospel that Patrick Moore's perfect bike is 60cm c-t-c seat tube and 56cm c-t-c top tube, then there is no Roadeo that fits him and it's natural that he didn't like the 58 Ram because it has a 1cm too long top tube. Whether a person wants one over the other could definitely be driven by fit. The geo-chart comps are subjective. What about the objective differences? I think people would prefer a Rambouillet over a Roadeo for the following reasons: 1. MSRP of the Ram is cheaper 2. Awesome stock colors helps maintain resale value 3. They like the name/graphics better 4. 132.5mm rear end supports either a 130 or a 135 wheel 5. third water bottle mount 6. came stock with a triple 7. It was usually "off the peg" while the Roadeo was usually built to order and took 6-24 months of a wait The objective reasons somebody might choose a Roadeo over a Rambouillet 1. Made in USA, by a builder whose name is known 2. Thinner tubing walls 3. "Custom" painted to order 4. They like the name/graphics better 5. Strictly 130mm OLD 6. somewhat customizable At the end of the day, I think if somebody gave me a 60cm Ram and forced me to relinquish my 59 Roadeo, I would survive. I suspect that if somebody gave a Roadeo frame to any of the Ram-advocates on this thread and forced them to give up their "old buddy", they also would manage to be contented road cyclists. I also think that if Patrick Moore sincerely concluded that the Rambouillet was not good enough to keep, then the Roadeo, Roadini, and RoadUno would likely be no better. I think the Ram is probably the best of the four for Patrick Moore's laser-focused tastes. Bill Lindsay taking in the last 5km of Paris-Roubaix on Peacock El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, April 12, 2025 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > It was a very nice bike. Mine was a blue one, and I think that the > original was orange and had slightly less tire clearance than the blue. > > To get this tangent back onto track: are the Yello and perhaps the Gallop > current Rivendell equivalents, but designed for swept-back bars? > > To start another tangent: How do the Roadini and the Roadeo (and the > Roaduno, for that matter, leaving aside the drivetrain differences) compare > in “feel” and handling to the Rambouillet? > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 8:38 PM Corwin Zechar <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Shannon - >> >> I agree. The Ram is definitely one of the best Rivs ever. There was a >> time - perhaps twenty years ago - when Grant would have agreed >> wholeheartedly. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e8a1fe5b-bcba-4bc5-b82e-cb655654ca57n%40googlegroups.com.
