Riding SW and NE return, winds varying from South to SW to West at 18 to
20, gusts 21-26.

On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 4:27 PM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 2:29 PM Ted Durant <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On May 15, 2025, at 3:03 PM, George Schick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> In my experience over the years one of the most perfectly designed road
>> bars made was the Ritchey BioMax Pro.  It has very shallow drops and
>> instead of the drops having a continuous bend these have a "reverse bend"
>> where the outward curve is normally located.
>>
>> This is definitely a case of everyone having different needs and
>> preferences!
>>
>> The most perfectly designed road bars, IMO, are the Nitto 177 Noodle,
>> which Grant developed over a few iterations (175, 176, 177).
>>
>
> Nope. The Maes Parallel with ends level with ground — or at least, ends
> parallel with very slightly upsloping top tube (OK, Bill?).
>
> For *me* of course.
>
> They have long ramps and a relatively shallow drop (125 mm and 115 mm) and
> while the Noodles were very nice, I’ve found the MPs give me longer ramps
> and a shallower drop with my preferred lever positions, and I prefer them
> for pavement and dirt roads and non-tech trails.
>
> On my ride just now I spent 12 or 13 miles in the drops/hooks,
> continuously except for tight turns and passing other cyclists, elbows
> slightly bent. Not as comfortable as the ineffably comfortable hoods, but
> not a strain either.
>
> Agree with the “play the piano” on the tops metaphor. On my road bikes the
> tops are ~3.5 cm cm below saddle, on the dirt road bike ~0.6 cm below
> saddle but on a 10 cm instead of 8 cm stems.
>
> Each to his or her own, of course. I’d no more insist that drop bars are
> better absolutely than other bars than I’d insist that steel is better for
> frames than other materials, absolutely.
>
>
>
>> One of the main benefits of drop bars is to allow a variety of positions,
>> ranging from very upright to very low, for those who are lucky to be
>> flexible enough to use that full range. The large-radius bend and slight
>> rise upward in the upper bend make for a few hand positions at the top and
>> a perfect place for the palm behind the brake lever. A very slight cant
>> clears the drops of the tops, and I’ve never had any discomfort from flat
>> drops that are angled so my wrists are neutral.  The large amount of drop
>> (not compared to standards of 50 years ago, but gigantic relative to what’s
>> offered today) means that when I’m in the hooks with my forearms parallel
>> to the ground, I’m as aero as I’m going to get, while the tops are even
>> with the saddle and I can “play piano” up there (as I think Eddy Merckx
>> described?).
>>
>

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