| Patrick wrote “Grand is wrong on this one.” Now I do not follow Grant’s writings all that closely but did he actually say that a very upright rider is not at a disadvantage to a more “aerodynamic” positioned rider into the wind? Or, did he say something more along the lines of “who cares?”. If it’s the latter what did he get wrong? Richard - used to ride long, fast pace lines. Doesn’t any more. Sent from my iPhone You read Ted wrong. He wasn’t pontificating, just being factual.
Ted is entirely right. Wind slows any cyclist down, but it slows cyclists with tall and wide profiles down a lot more than those low and narrow. Grant is wrong on this one.
I ride fixed gears into 20 mph and higher head or quartering winds regularly. Thank God for 38 cm drop bars. I actually enjoy this, in moderation.
Oh lighten up, Ted. Have a glass of wine and then read my stories. They’re mostly fun and hardly dogmatic. You know this by now. Leah Sent from my iPhone On Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 4:16:23 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: But wind is the mortal enemy of a Rivendell, I think, even if it’s a road bike.
Wind is an impediment to speed on any bicycle. The stronger the apparent wind (either from speed or headwind) the bigger the impediment. The disadvantage of a large frontal area and otherwise increased Cd goes up with the square of the apparent wind velocity. You've chosen a bike and position that have a great deal more Cd than what most people think of as a road bike and position. It's certainly not anything like my Rivendells, so I don't think it's fair to generalize your experience to all Rivendell bikes..
Grant once published a photo of himself descending Diablo sitting bolt upright and wearing a big sombrero. He titled the article "In Favor of Blowing Off Aerodynamics". You've discovered the limits of that philosophy.
Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI USA
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