Oops, not the 90s but rather 2009… On Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 9:09:02 AM UTC-4 Morgan Fox wrote:
> Leah, you’re inspiring me to finally commit and plan an overnighter. As a > Clevelander I can confirm, our bike infrastructure in and around downtown > is pretty much non-existent, especially by modern standards. It may improve > in the next 5 years… we’ll see about that. Fortunately there’s a bounty of > good riding if you avoid downtown. There’s an old satire tourism video from > the 90s that proclaims “Cleveland, at least we’re not Detroit!” but I think > it ought to be reversed now. > > On Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 8:08:33 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote: > >> Good on ya, Leah and terrific write-up as usual. Yes...riding on a busy >> highway is a serious drag...it's way less stressful if you can find >> secondary routes which we usually tried to do when I toured with my local >> club. I'm so glad you had that alone time with your son as well...you and >> he will have those memories for a long time >> >> On Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 12:22:17 AM UTC-5 Lucia Matioli wrote: >> >>> What a wonderful write up and inspiring trip-keep going, as I too look >>> forward to reading about your next adventure. >>> >>> Best, >>> Lucia >>> Oakland, CA >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 9:22 PM Takashi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I enjoyed your write-up and videos very much. >>>> Glad to know that you had precious time with your son. I'm pretty sure >>>> that memory of this trip will affect his life in a good way for long time. >>>> Thank you for sharing! >>>> And, yes you SHOULD do it again, because there are so many members here >>>> waiting for your ride report! >>>> >>>> Takashi >>>> >>>> >>>> 2025年7月13日日曜日 6:11:19 UTC+9 Jay: >>>> >>>>> Sounds great Leah. I mean, you survived, you bonded with your son, >>>>> you rode, you camped, you toured Niagara Falls Canada -- glad it all >>>>> worked >>>>> out! >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, July 12, 2025 at 4:02:06 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> We did it. My son and I rode 260 miles through Ohio, Pennsylvania, >>>>>> New York State, and finally, into Canada. Three states, two countries, >>>>>> four >>>>>> days, 60ish+ miles per day. I agreed to half camping, half hotel. We had >>>>>> to >>>>>> have campgrounds with showers, I said. Honestly, there is no way I could >>>>>> have gone to bed without a shower after those rides. It was humid and >>>>>> hot >>>>>> and we perspired from the moment we set out until we parked our bikes. >>>>>> >>>>>> We started from a hotel in Cleveland. I cannot say we are fans of >>>>>> that city; there was poor cycling infrastructure - read: NO >>>>>> infrastructure >>>>>> - and we had a hard time getting out of there. I’d had no time to get >>>>>> acquainted with my Garmin, and we made a few mistakes before we got >>>>>> rolling. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our route took us primarily along the Great Lakes Seaway Trail. I >>>>>> just assumed there would be a bike lane/trail/path. It was not named the >>>>>> Great Lakes Seaway HIGHWAY, after all. I was sorely disappointed. It was >>>>>> 55 >>>>>> mph, 2 lane traffic with a shoulder that we kept to, and mostly rode >>>>>> single >>>>>> file. It did not feel safe to go 2 abreast. The noise, the constant >>>>>> vigilance and lack of peace made me pretty edgy for most of those miles. >>>>>> Worst of all, it cheated us out of a lot of talking time, which I was >>>>>> dying >>>>>> to have, since this kid has been so busy since he went to college. The >>>>>> next >>>>>> trip I plan will be primarily on BIKEWAYS. I am not afraid of road >>>>>> riding; >>>>>> I am irritated by it. A friend said to me, “Don’t ride on US highways >>>>>> where >>>>>> they don’t love you, Leah.” How right she is. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Garmin was indispensable. I have little sense of direction (I >>>>>> blame left-handedness) and absolutely depended on GPS. The Garmin held >>>>>> its >>>>>> charge for all those long days in the saddle - a phone would have failed >>>>>> me. I did bring a power bank, which was good, because I charged my >>>>>> devices >>>>>> in my tent at night. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our first night was in Geneva State Park, in Ohio. We pitched our >>>>>> tents in the rain. We had practiced prior, so we were quick like >>>>>> jackrabbits and got our tents erected before getting too wet. The >>>>>> raccoons >>>>>> came out and had fights with each other and terrified me in the night. >>>>>> The >>>>>> state campground felt sad, but it had shower houses and this was what I >>>>>> really wanted. We did not dare leave our gear because we’d been warned >>>>>> by >>>>>> the host that a known thief would be checking in that afternoon and he >>>>>> would steal anything and everything. That meant we took all our stuff to >>>>>> dinner and to the beach that day. We explored Geneva On The Lake and >>>>>> hung >>>>>> out in downtown before heading to camp for the night. >>>>>> >>>>>> A note here to say that I read all the time about people being too >>>>>> afraid to let their bike out of sight. Scared to ride it anywhere in >>>>>> case >>>>>> something might happen to it. But E and I took our bikes everywhere and >>>>>> no >>>>>> one even looked at them. We didn’t even always lock them because it >>>>>> wasn’t >>>>>> always possible. Our first night in Cleveland we had to leave the bikes >>>>>> in >>>>>> the lobby while our room was being readied, and we just pushed tables >>>>>> around them, trusting the doorman to keep a watchful eye. At dinner >>>>>> somewhere in NY state we just left them parked in front of a restaurant, >>>>>> completely unlocked and out of sight to us. The host told us he’d fight >>>>>> tooth and nail if anyone even looked at our bikes. But he left his >>>>>> station >>>>>> frequently to seat customers. It was fine. We parked the bikes in >>>>>> downtown >>>>>> Buffalo, asked to be seated where we could see them, because though they >>>>>> were locked, all our gear was on the bikes. We watched from the window >>>>>> and >>>>>> no one showed one speck of interest. I say this in case you need a >>>>>> little >>>>>> nudge of encouragement to stop garage queening your Rivendell and let it >>>>>> roam the world with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our second night of camping was in Erie, PA at Sara’s Campground. >>>>>> FIVE STARS. They put the bike campers on the actual sandy beach of Lake >>>>>> Erie. We sat in our tents and watched the sunset, and then slept with >>>>>> the >>>>>> waves lapping the shore all night long. The Great Lakes are really >>>>>> inland >>>>>> seas, huge like oceans, but unsalted and shark-free. They are warm and >>>>>> inviting and wonderful. I cannot overstate how wonderful it was to >>>>>> awaken >>>>>> to those waves and that lake breeze. We took that morning to explore >>>>>> Presque Isle State Park, adding another 20 miles to our day. I think we >>>>>> rode 75 miles, in all. >>>>>> >>>>>> From Erie we rode to Dunkirk, NY. There was NOTHING between Erie and >>>>>> Dunkirk. We ran out of water 10 miles before we arrived, which scared me >>>>>> as >>>>>> we were pouring sweat and it was upwards of 90 degrees. I said to E, “Do >>>>>> you think it’s odd that we are 5 miles from Dunkirk and there have been >>>>>> no >>>>>> road signs for it?” Scary. Just as we arrived, so did a massive >>>>>> downpour. >>>>>> We were soaked all the way through. We took hot showers and put on fresh >>>>>> clothes and went to dinner at a lakeside restaurant. >>>>>> >>>>>> We left Dunkirk behind and pointed our Rivs towards Buffalo. It was >>>>>> there that we rode a small section of the Empire State Trail. It was >>>>>> indescribable how good it felt to be off the roads and on the safety of >>>>>> that trail. We ate in the city and then headed for the Canadian border. >>>>>> >>>>>> We were greeted with a majestic scene as we approached Rainbow >>>>>> Bridge. You’ll see what we saw in the Instagram link I have below. We >>>>>> just >>>>>> followed the signs for bikes and walked them right to the Canadian >>>>>> authorities, who asked just a few questions and then waved us through. >>>>>> The >>>>>> Canadians were kind and patient with us on their roadways. We did not >>>>>> have >>>>>> to ride long before we were treated to the nicest cycleway we’d had all >>>>>> trip. It ran concurrent with the river, so we admired lovely homes on >>>>>> the >>>>>> riverfront as we pedaled to Fallsview, Ontario. >>>>>> >>>>>> Niagara Falls is amazing. You have to see it; no flowery words will >>>>>> describe the falls for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> I loved my gear. I know I overspent for things I might never use >>>>>> again, but I’m glad I did. I got great stuff, and it made the trip so >>>>>> wonderful, and I plan to bike camp again. It was light and did not make >>>>>> my >>>>>> bike feel unwieldy or heavy. I want to do the GAP and the Empire State >>>>>> Trail, and maybe even in autumn so I can try my new sleeping quilt. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> learned so much and it makes me want to do even more. I intend to get >>>>>> really good at this Garmin and route planning. I just need a partner to >>>>>> do >>>>>> these things with now that my kid is going back to his own life. I have >>>>>> great riding chemistry with my women’s bike group, but I need to >>>>>> replicate >>>>>> this in my new bike touring life. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I apologize for so many words, but what could I leave out? Below >>>>>> are the 3 videos I made and posted to my IG, if you want a visual recap >>>>>> of >>>>>> our journey. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for all your help to get me started. I really used it and it >>>>>> made my trip a success. Thank you, thank you, thank you. >>>>>> L >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: 517296360_18514445734011110_1810458783708395225_n.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "My husband dropped us off in Cleveland >>>>>> today. It was 95 degrees and miserable. I am SO glad not to be riding in >>>>>> that; we are in a hotel tonight. Tomorrow will be 79, but there could be >>>>>> storms that lie between us and Geneva. We will ride to a campground >>>>>> there, >>>>>> about 55ish miles. We arrived early and had to leave the bikes in the >>>>>> lobby >>>>>> while we went to lunch. It seemed safe enough with a doorman nearby, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> was uneasy. We ate quickly. We are laying low, but we did venture out >>>>>> first >>>>>> to lunch and then to the fanciest grocery store I’d ever seen. We ate >>>>>> locally-made ice cream in the rotunda and grabbed some snacks for the >>>>>> room. >>>>>> I have never been to Cleveland. We are staying downtown and I have seen >>>>>> zero bike lanes so far; the only cyclists I’ve seen have been few and >>>>>> have >>>>>> been on the sidewalks. There was one e-scooter on the road. We have >>>>>> chosen >>>>>> to walk everywhere since it looks sketchy to ride. There are a lot of >>>>>> sirens blaring. Things I’ve thought: How d >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLyOIwauRL5/?igsh=cnRlMnduNjdsbWV1> >>>>>> instagram.com >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLyOIwauRL5/?igsh=cnRlMnduNjdsbWV1> >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLyOIwauRL5/?igsh=cnRlMnduNjdsbWV1> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: 516799824_18515291068011110_2621942850647754182_n.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "Part One. This was my first real bike >>>>>> trip and it included my 19 yo son, with whom I so rarely get time. Leah >>>>>> Peterson does not camp, I’d said. Alas, I just want to be where he is, >>>>>> even >>>>>> if it’s camping. We did two nights in campgrounds and two in hotels, and >>>>>> that was the right formula for us novices. We practiced tent-pitching; >>>>>> this >>>>>> was advantageous because the first night had us pitching in a rain >>>>>> shower. >>>>>> We rode along Lake Erie from Cleveland, OH all the way to Fallsview, ON, >>>>>> Canada. 4 days. 260 miles. The entire experience has been rich. >>>>>> Everything >>>>>> from planning our own route, choosing our lodging, buying good gear, >>>>>> learning new skills, having quality time together, saying yes to new >>>>>> experiences, seeing new country….I am a blessed woman, indeed. Things >>>>>> I’ve >>>>>> learned: I will choose a route with a cycleway next time. We rode almost >>>>>> entirely on 55 mph, 2 lane roads. I spent 240 miles praying every car >>>>>> would >>>>>> move over. They did. We stayed on the sh >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL99vMXuZz2/?igsh=eWJvcWhkOG4waGlk> >>>>>> instagram.com >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL99vMXuZz2/?igsh=eWJvcWhkOG4waGlk> >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL99vMXuZz2/?igsh=eWJvcWhkOG4waGlk> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: 517626856_18515533315011110_2066827602934472856_n.jpg] >>>>>> >>>>>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "Part Two. Crossing into Canada could not >>>>>> have been easier. We crossed Rainbow Bridge and then we were at the >>>>>> border. >>>>>> We were asked a few simple questions and waved on through. We had 15-20 >>>>>> miles left until we reached Fallsview, where our hotel awaited. It was >>>>>> quiet, gentle roads that became a dedicated cycleway for the rest of our >>>>>> trip. Canadians are as nice as you’ve heard; we were treated so kindly >>>>>> on >>>>>> their roadways. I can’t express how glad I am to have had this >>>>>> experience. >>>>>> I don’t know how many more bike trips either son will ever agree to, but >>>>>> I’ll treasure the Niagara Falls trip for the rest of my life. I’ve known >>>>>> my >>>>>> sons as boys and now I’m going to know them as men. When you have miles >>>>>> to >>>>>> travel, you get a lot of time to talk without any distraction. Love your >>>>>> kids hard, friends. Squirrel away as many moments with them as you can. >>>>>> What could be more precious? What better legacy can you leave? #rivbike >>>>>> #mothersonbiketrip #rivendellplatypus #clem >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMBMiU7OXrk/?igsh=ODcyMHN2eGdpOGhz> >>>>>> instagram.com >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMBMiU7OXrk/?igsh=ODcyMHN2eGdpOGhz> >>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMBMiU7OXrk/?igsh=ODcyMHN2eGdpOGhz> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 6, 2025, at 11:33 AM, Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Canadian side of Niagara Falls is pretty touristy. And busy. >>>>>> If you've never been though, it's something to experience. Also >>>>>> touristy, >>>>>> but with good views, is Skylon tower. I've been to the Falls like 20 >>>>>> times >>>>>> and had never went there. Last time my wife, daughter and I had dinner >>>>>> there (have to reserve in advance). It's a 360 rotating restaurant and >>>>>> gives great views of the falls and surrounding area. Pricey but food >>>>>> was >>>>>> okay. If you want to relax on a beach, try Crystal Beach. If you all >>>>>> had >>>>>> bikes, could ride along the parkway bike path to Niagara on the Lake. >>>>>> Let >>>>>> me know if you have any questions! Enjoy :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 11:23:36 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My son finally got his gear mounted at 10:30 pm. 🙄 Here it is, atop >>>>>>> his 59 Clem. We unloaded it, then put the Rivs on the Telluride’s rack >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> went in…where I saw he’d left his packing cube with all his clothing. 🙄🙄 >>>>>>> [image: 515420781_18514276759011110_7525248299957909221_n.jpg] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "It’s 10:30 at night and my son has >>>>>>> finally put his gear on his bike. 🙄 And only because I nagged. I will >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> point out that he thought I bought Voile and Infinity Tools like a >>>>>>> reckless >>>>>>> fool and here he is, using Every. Single. Strap. I came back inside to >>>>>>> realize he forgot his packing cube with his clothing inside the house. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have serious doubts. We had to pull it all off again and then loaded up >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> bikes onto the rack. We will get dropped off in Cleveland tomorrow and >>>>>>> start our ride Monday morning. #rivbike #mothersonbikecamping >>>>>>> #bikecamping >>>>>>> #clemsforkids #thecollegeclem" >>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLwAkP4umhc/?igsh=MTl0ZXc4djgzbTMyag==> >>>>>>> instagram.com >>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLwAkP4umhc/?igsh=MTl0ZXc4djgzbTMyag==> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLwAkP4umhc/?igsh=MTl0ZXc4djgzbTMyag==> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A still pic: >>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2025, at 11:02 PM, Leah Peterson <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay, I brought my passport so I can get on over to your side!!! I >>>>>>> had no idea there was so much to do at Niagara. We are STOKED! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2025, at 6:21 PM, Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope you and your son have a wonderful time! I can't wait to >>>>>>> read your ride report :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy the falls! I'm on the other side, the better side ;-) at >>>>>>> least the view is better, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, July 5, 2025 at 4:51:42 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is the crumbiest video I’ve ever made but this reel is my gear >>>>>>>> check, for those who wanted to know what I ended up with. Tomorrow’s >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> trip! We don’t start riding until Monday but will be dropped off in >>>>>>>> Cleveland tomorrow. I’m sure I have forgotten 15 things but who can >>>>>>>> carry >>>>>>>> anymore stuff than this?!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: 515884097_18514231915011110_5177201299678025140_n.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leah Peterson on Instagram: "Here is a poorly and hastily done Gear >>>>>>>> Check to show you what I chose for gear on my first-ever bikepacking >>>>>>>> trip. >>>>>>>> My college boy and I are taking our Rivs, loading them up with camping >>>>>>>> gear >>>>>>>> and pointing them towards Lake Erie. We will start in Cleveland and >>>>>>>> follow >>>>>>>> along the coast of Lake Erie until we arrive in Buffalo, NY. It is 215 >>>>>>>> miles. 50-60 miles/day. 2 nights in campgrounds, 2 in hotels. When we >>>>>>>> arrive in Buffalo, my husband and other son will meet us by car, pick >>>>>>>> us up >>>>>>>> and we will check into our hotel for the weekend for a Peterson >>>>>>>> vacation to >>>>>>>> visit the iconic Niagara Falls. Where is his bike gear check video, >>>>>>>> you are >>>>>>>> asking. He is refusing to do a practice run and refusing to let me >>>>>>>> help. >>>>>>>> All my planning is unwarranted and overkill, he is sure of it. He did >>>>>>>> submit to taking his bike to the shop to have it converted to >>>>>>>> tubeless, and >>>>>>>> to have some niggling mechanical issues worked out. The mechanics >>>>>>>> discovered a loose spoke and a wheel that need >>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLvVZHJOwVf/?igsh=NjR4eWlmem9icmc3> >>>>>>>> instagram.com >>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLvVZHJOwVf/?igsh=NjR4eWlmem9icmc3> >>>>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLvVZHJOwVf/?igsh=NjR4eWlmem9icmc3> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2025, at 7:45 AM, Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Leah >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A chair like this might work... >>>>>>>> https://www.rei.com/product/199538/crazy-creek-hex-20-original-chair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was going to direct you to my go-to Mountain Equipment Coop >>>>>>>> (MEC)...but tariffs :( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, you will need rain gear....in my touring experience, I do not >>>>>>>> think I took one trip where it didn't rain. I think I just used a >>>>>>>> rainshell. Yes, sometimes I got wet and one time(on a windy , cold (5 >>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>> Canada Day) quite miserable but some kind soul in Roland Manitoba let >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>> stay in the curling rink instead of the sodden campground in the ball >>>>>>>> field >>>>>>>> we paid for... bless his heart. The next day we decided to cut a day >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> our itinerary and rode 60+ miles home to Winnipeg in intermittent rain >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> got heavy as we hit the city in rush hour(not fun); Leaving >>>>>>>> civilization, >>>>>>>> not entering it, IMO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could set up your phone to video you unboxing and unfolding >>>>>>>> that tent :) which is very nice, by the way. Make sure it's well aired >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> dried out before you pack it up for your next trip...I know this is >>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>> sense but I'm mentioning it anyway. I used to hang mine up on the >>>>>>>> clotheslines set up in the laundry room of the apartment I lived in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All this aside, I think you will have a great trip and whatever >>>>>>>> challenges you run into make it real. Wouldn't it be boring if >>>>>>>> everything >>>>>>>> went without a hitch ? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't wait to hear how you and your son fared. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan in Winnipeg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 18, 2025 at 8:24:58 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ve read and will reread all of these again before our trip. It’s >>>>>>>>> been so good to have these pointers and recs before we just set off. >>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>> of you told me to do a practice run (which I’m excited to do, by the >>>>>>>>> way) >>>>>>>>> and do you know what E said? “Mom, we don’t need to do that. You >>>>>>>>> don’t need >>>>>>>>> to plan everything out. That’s not an *adventure.” * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not understand this point of view. I would like to be SAFE >>>>>>>>> and PREPARED and I don’t think that takes away from adventure. Again, >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> is a 19 year old male. We are not the same. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My tent arrived today and I can’t believe how compact it is. I >>>>>>>>> almost do not dare open it. I suspect it will be like folding a map. >>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>> know you’ll never get it the way it was again. But I will open it >>>>>>>>> soon, >>>>>>>>> promise. The sleeping quilt order got royally messed up by >>>>>>>>> Enlightened >>>>>>>>> Equipment and won’t arrive until next Monday. So, I can’t load up my >>>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>>> and see how it all fits yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We’ve talked mosquitos and food storage and now I need to move >>>>>>>>> back to gear again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. What do you wear for rain gear? Pam wears a rain skirt and >>>>>>>>> water proof socks. Her skirt is out of stock. I remember The Lone >>>>>>>>> Wolf >>>>>>>>> saying something about a rain cape. So I know these are two options. >>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>> is everyone using for rain? Do we even need rain gear? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Are you bringing a chair? Pam has, of all things, an actual >>>>>>>>> tiny chair she sits in and I had never thought of this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Do you run a front rack? It seems most people don’t. I waver >>>>>>>>> between the red bike which has 700c wheels and one Nitto Big Rear >>>>>>>>> rack with >>>>>>>>> Backabikes OR my purple bike with 650b wheels and Nitto Big Back Rack >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Nitto Basket Rack + basket up front. Not sure if I’ll be on a train, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> that might factor in and affect a bike with a wide front rack like >>>>>>>>> that… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fun facts! You can get merino wool underwear, bras and bike shorts >>>>>>>>> and they are awesome. I think most men here knew about merino >>>>>>>>> underwear but >>>>>>>>> bras and bike shorts were new discoveries for me and I think they >>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> great on a bike tour. Talking underthings on public forums…not a >>>>>>>>> thing I >>>>>>>>> thought I’d do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok! That’s what I got for now. >>>>>>>>> Thanks again! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2025, at 8:30 AM, ascpgh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have 650B x 42 Babyshoe Pass tires set up as tubeless on my >>>>>>>>> traveling bike and because of the potential for losing a bead's seal >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the rim on a tire punctured enough to need a plug I carry exam >>>>>>>>> gloves, a >>>>>>>>> few sheets of paper toweling and an inner tube to meet that >>>>>>>>> possibility. >>>>>>>>> The tubeless format has been better than I imagined when seeking >>>>>>>>> improvement over my previous 700 x 32 inner tube set up. I've had to >>>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>>> air on a trip but neither sealant nor put an inner tube in when a >>>>>>>>> bead seal >>>>>>>>> came loose (gloves and paper towels for cleaning out the sealant in >>>>>>>>> prep >>>>>>>>> for a tube). You'll also have to remove the valve stem held to the >>>>>>>>> rim with >>>>>>>>> the threaded ring so you can put the inner tube's through the hole. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For ticks I've used this recommendation with success from our >>>>>>>>> longstanding vet who lives in the woods and fields north of here: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <BB27A788-6D5A-4908-AA34-3BDAA4EF7E5A_1_105_c.jpeg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Safe for dogs, not sticky or deeply chemical smelling to upset >>>>>>>>> your experience. A little less convenient than a concentrated >>>>>>>>> container of >>>>>>>>> DEET. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A tick tool in case of an attached critter is a good thing to have: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <B8FCDD02-AEB6-44E4-964D-8C1AD9DD795B_1_102_o.jpeg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andy Cheatham >>>>>>>>> Pittsburgh >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 15, 2025 at 4:45:31 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is all good. I’ll plan some practice runs before we leave. I >>>>>>>>>> even have the perfect destination with the perfect mileage. I told >>>>>>>>>> my kid >>>>>>>>>> and those of you who have been 19 year old men can guess what came >>>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>>> his mouth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> “We don’t need to prepare! The adventure is just going and DOING >>>>>>>>>> it, Mom.” >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. No, no, no. The adventure is when you know the things you >>>>>>>>>> have and planned for will WORK so you don’t ruin your trip worrying >>>>>>>>>> and/or >>>>>>>>>> working out kinks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here are two more questions: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. How do you avoid ticks? I live in fear of Lyme. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. What tools do you bring? I have tubeless and have a Dynaplug >>>>>>>>>> for that… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2025, at 11:12 AM, Matthew Cook <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, from what I've gathered, Ken was struck and killed >>>>>>>>>> by a drunk driver while riding near his home sometime in 2003. There >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia page stating this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To whoever is hosting his site and keeping it going, it is much >>>>>>>>>> appreciated as the articles provided me so much learning when I was >>>>>>>>>> new to >>>>>>>>>> cycling and more specifically touring. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> M. Cook >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2025, 1:39 AM Craig Montgomery < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I haven't thought about Ken Kifer for years. Loved his site. >>>>>>>>>>> Common sense (for the most part), informative, and fun to read. >>>>>>>>>>> Wonder what >>>>>>>>>>> happened to him? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Craig in Tucson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 6:40 PM Matt C. <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Leah, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> May I make the seemingly the lamest recommendation? Hear me >>>>>>>>>>>> out. Years ago (in the early 2000's) I got into cycling as a >>>>>>>>>>>> hipster on a >>>>>>>>>>>> fixed gear. I had done quite a bit of backpacking and then >>>>>>>>>>>> stumbled upon >>>>>>>>>>>> the concept of bicycle touring. I was amazed that the two could be >>>>>>>>>>>> combined >>>>>>>>>>>> and that I hadn't thought of it already<---maybe similar to your >>>>>>>>>>>> son. >>>>>>>>>>>> Around that time I found a web page about bicycle touring by a man >>>>>>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken Kifer. His thoughts on touring were inspirational. He has >>>>>>>>>>>> since passed >>>>>>>>>>>> but his articles can be found here: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://phred.org/~alex/kenkifer/www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/index.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> He recommended that most tours should start and end from your >>>>>>>>>>>> home. Sounds sorta lame, but I have done this many times and am >>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>> amazed at what can be seen and experienced by just riding away >>>>>>>>>>>> from my >>>>>>>>>>>> house to a destination. I feel like I always find something new as >>>>>>>>>>>> well. So >>>>>>>>>>>> it might be logistically easier to just point to something a few >>>>>>>>>>>> days of >>>>>>>>>>>> riding away from your home and just go. Sometimes this is >>>>>>>>>>>> difficult if you >>>>>>>>>>>> are averse to stealth camping....in that case planning designated >>>>>>>>>>>> campgrounds might be in your best interest. I have toured with my >>>>>>>>>>>> wife on a >>>>>>>>>>>> few instances and on others with a few of my children. With them I >>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>> try to have something arranged for camping. But by myself or with >>>>>>>>>>>> 1-3 >>>>>>>>>>>> friends, stealth camping can be really fun. It really helps to tie >>>>>>>>>>>> places >>>>>>>>>>>> together. >>>>>>>>>>>> As someone who has always had wanderlust, I think there is way >>>>>>>>>>>> more adventure right out your door than you ever expect. Just >>>>>>>>>>>> going out and >>>>>>>>>>>> finding it takes a bit of perspective shift. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also +1 to doing an overnighter. I recommend writing down >>>>>>>>>>>> everything you bring. Then when you get home, write down >>>>>>>>>>>> everything you >>>>>>>>>>>> don't use with possibly a rational on whether it should be used >>>>>>>>>>>> next time >>>>>>>>>>>> (weather differences or tools in case of a mechanical, etc.). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> One last thing, expect that something will not go as planned. >>>>>>>>>>>> Plan all your gear. Plan your tools. Plan all your food. Plan your >>>>>>>>>>>> route. >>>>>>>>>>>> Something outside the plan will probably happen and it will be >>>>>>>>>>>> frustrating >>>>>>>>>>>> and also be the thing you reflect on the most and laugh at about >>>>>>>>>>>> the trip. >>>>>>>>>>>> Bicycle touring is often type 2 fun. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope some of this helps and lowers the stress levels. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Cook >>>>>>>>>>>> Spanish Fort, AL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 10, 2025 at 3:32:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I, Leah Peterson, have refused to camp my entire life. A lover >>>>>>>>>>>>> of safety, cleanliness, hot showers and fresh coffee, I never saw >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> allure. Why should I pitch a tent and sleep in the ditch if I >>>>>>>>>>>>> could sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a hotel bed? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Several of my bike world friends told me I was missing out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But I wasn’t missing out, because I was content in my hotels and >>>>>>>>>>>>> unaware of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the joys and sorrows of bike camping. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But, we have this son. This child is not a child, he stands at >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6’2” tall and is heading into his sophomore year of college. He >>>>>>>>>>>>> has his >>>>>>>>>>>>> head in his books with no time for anything else, but oh, he has >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> wanderlust. I read that 90% of the time you’ll ever spend with >>>>>>>>>>>>> your kid is >>>>>>>>>>>>> spent by age 18. That was a year ago…I have less than 10% of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> allotted >>>>>>>>>>>>> time left with one of the most beloved, treasured people in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> world. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> could sob just typing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> E discovered the term “bikepacking” at the Philly Bike Expo. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And when he heard it he said, “Wait, say that again…” His eyes >>>>>>>>>>>>> lit up and >>>>>>>>>>>>> he was determined to try. Julian (from this list) sent him some >>>>>>>>>>>>> bikepacking >>>>>>>>>>>>> essentials he had, and that was the catalyst for getting E to hit >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> trails. I immediately decided that since it involved my son and >>>>>>>>>>>>> biking, two >>>>>>>>>>>>> of my great loves, I was going. All my friends said, Leah, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> don’t camp. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah, you’ve lost your mind. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I said. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I went to the internet and to Pam Murray and I started to >>>>>>>>>>>>> plan. And you guys, every brain cell in my head was being used >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> decided I must be stupid because I could not figure out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>> make the >>>>>>>>>>>>> logistics all work. Choose a route. How do you get to the start? >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you >>>>>>>>>>>>> get back again? How to use Amtrak? Why does their train station >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> schedule NEVER WORK for my purposes?! What do you mean there is >>>>>>>>>>>>> no camping >>>>>>>>>>>>> along most of the Hudson Valley Trail? Too much mileage between >>>>>>>>>>>>> these two >>>>>>>>>>>>> towns, not enough between those. I have scrapped 2 entire routes >>>>>>>>>>>>> we planned >>>>>>>>>>>>> because we just couldn’t get the logistics to work. I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>> think it is >>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be this hard, so I must be doing it wrong. (I’m going >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> ride with The Lone Wolf tomorrow who will surely scoff and >>>>>>>>>>>>> confirm that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am doing it wrong. But also, maybe he will give me some pointers.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we settled on a route that takes us along Lake Erie. >>>>>>>>>>>>> With Chat GPT’s help, I have a decent plan and two campsites >>>>>>>>>>>>> picked out so >>>>>>>>>>>>> far. One is first come, first serve, so say a prayer for us. Say >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> because my husband is going to get roped into dropping us off and >>>>>>>>>>>>> picking >>>>>>>>>>>>> us up at the start and finish, and he has no idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He also has no idea that I just spent $$$ on a tent, >>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint, sleeping pad and sleeping quilt (ha! Have you ever >>>>>>>>>>>>> heard of such >>>>>>>>>>>>> a thing? What happened to sleeping bags?!). Like, really a lot. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Big money. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I got sucked down the gear rabbit hole and suddenly nothing but >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> ultralightweight things will do. It is shameful. I confessed to E >>>>>>>>>>>>> who sent >>>>>>>>>>>>> me this text: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MOM SPENDING 700 ON A TENT IS NOT RIGHT THAT DOESNT MEAN YOU >>>>>>>>>>>>> LOVE ME TENTS DONT COST THAT MUCH YOU DONT NEED IT TO BE >>>>>>>>>>>>> COMFORTABLE😭 😭 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, that is what is happening over here. Be gentle in your >>>>>>>>>>>>> rebukes. I am stressed out about this whole experiment on several >>>>>>>>>>>>> levels! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But this kid. What would I not do for him? I thought I’d draw >>>>>>>>>>>>> the line at sleeping in ditches, but no, not even that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> off-limits. I’ll >>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, it seems, to stay involved and relevant. Luckily, my >>>>>>>>>>>>> second >>>>>>>>>>>>> son is quite comfortable in hotels, and will not make me work >>>>>>>>>>>>> this hard to >>>>>>>>>>>>> be in his orbit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/1-6ssrRirOQ/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e2131bcd-4aa3-49cb-86e1-53ad72d1cd9dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 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