Leah, you should really be getting paid by Riv. No post on this forum has 
ever made me want a bicycle more than you're description of Charlie here!

On Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 8:52:16 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Well they’re all missing out, Piaw! Charlie and I are in LOVE. We’ve been 
> running off together allll summer and we have thousands of miles together 
> now. Charlie is What Women Want. Long wheelbases…we are into them. Pullback 
> bars? Say less; we’re sold. Oh, the racers in the group say Charlie isn’t a 
> Real Road Bike? Hold my earrings.
>
> I came home tonight from yet another club ride and my husband met me at 
> the door. We did the schtick where he pretends to be suspicious of me and 
> Charlie’s activities and confess Charlie and I were out in the night 
> together again but it didn’t mean anything. 
>
> Charlie is a looker and a *scoundrel.* And those racers don’t know any of 
> this joy.
>
> On Tuesday, October 7, 2025 at 1:06:17 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 10:26 PM Joe Bernard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's a very cool frame (your build is AMAZING) but definitely a 
>>> niche within the Riv niche. The road bike world is still quite conservative 
>>> and getting them to accept pullback bars to match the long toptube is never 
>>> going to be an easy sell. The dropped toptube is also a quirk some will 
>>> balk at.
>>>
>>
>> It's certainly true that the Charlie Gallop isn't a conventional road 
>> bike. To be honest, though, there are plenty of reasons non racers won't 
>> pick the Charlie Gallop as well. For instance, the ultra long chainstays 
>> mean that the Charlie Gallop would be difficult to fit into a bike box to 
>> get onto a plane to do a bike tour far from home. (That's also what turned 
>> me off the Homer as well) That long wheelbase also can make it hard to fit 
>> into trains or vans or cars. (I've done it with a tandem which is even 
>> longer, but let's just say that I've had evil stares from fellow 
>> passengers, and obviously some bus drivers are more helpful than others)
>>
>> The pullback bars also are much much wider than narrow drop bars. So for 
>> instance, while I can easily fit 2-3 drop bar bikes into the back of a 
>> Honda Odyssey with the rear seats down), my wife's Cheviot would take up so 
>> much room that I'd have to move it onto the roof rack instead even when I'm 
>> planning to only move 2 bikes. In fact, a pull back bar at a crowded school 
>> bike rack would necessitate that you'd park the bike backwards with the 
>> rear wheel first, and in many cases a standard cable lock would have a hard 
>> time reaching the rack in those situations, and don't even start talking 
>> about a U-lock!
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I like my Roadini (my wife shot this video on 
>> Saturday's ride: https://youtu.be/6hBpmSL6lRc?si=v7gIUKY-4WelAjk3), but 
>> the additional weight is definitely felt when I lift it, and even with its 
>> relatively short chainstays (still 2cm longer than my touring bike!), I 
>> find that when I have to stand up and sprint it just doesn't accelerate the 
>> way more touring bike does.
>>
>

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