The BikeInsights website might be useful, too. It has geometry data for many bikes, including many of the Riv models and different generation of the same model so comparison is easier. Randy, I like the photo of your Appaloosa.
Rick Harries Easton, MD On Friday, March 13, 2026 at 2:07:37 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote: > one more thougth: The very first generation of Hilbornes had a longer top > tube than later generations. I don't know which one you found. > > (These were goldish-green or orange, had gold decals, and did not have > creme colored head tubes.) > > On Friday, March 13, 2026 at 12:02:15 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: > >> >> >> Suggestively speaking, keep in mind that every body is proportionally >> different in their torso length, arms and legs. >> >> Several years ago, I was insisted that a 59cm Clem would fit me with my >> PBH of 80.1cm. It did not fit me. It was too large for me. I turned around >> a bought a 52cm Clem after selling the 59cm Clem. Needless to say, I am >> very comfortable on my 52cm Clem. I have short legs and arms with a long >> torso standing a 5'11". >> >> Kim Hetzel. >> >> >> This should be a huge part of the consideration. Referencing the above >> examples : >> >> I am 6'2" and have an even shorter PBH than you, Kim. So I'm "next >> level," in terms of long torso /short legs. I have a 60 Clem H. I don't >> really have ideally adequate stndover clearance at all, but I feel like the >> top tube is way too short. At least for my swept back bosco bars. >> >> Brenton's friend, with long legs and short torso should theoretically >> have the opposite issue - which is to say none at all. He'll have a lot of >> seat post exposed, but all that extension translates to the saddle moving >> rearward and away from the handlebars. So they'll feel further away. And >> then, when he leans forward in a normal riding position (somewhere beyond >> 45 degrees, like 50 degrees? ), his shoulders won't extend as far forward >> as someone with a longer torso but otherwise same saddle height. So the >> bike will still feel long enough. >> >> As an aside, this later case is also why Rivendell's long chainstays are >> so great, but why mainstream bike people with average builds don't get it. >> When a tall person gets on a bike with typical, in-vogue, short >> chainstays, they end up with their butt right on top of the rear wheel. >> It's a totally different riding experience than someone of averge height >> and proportions has, but those average-built people will still argue that >> short chainstays are better.... and that all sizes of a frame should have >> the SAME chainstay length. >> On Friday, March 13, 2026 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, March 13, 2026 at 9:09:12 AM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote: >> >> rivs latest frames max out at 60/61cm. in a semi-recent email, Will >> explained how these frames are still plenty big enough for the taller >> riders out there. I'm curious if the tall riders here would agree? >> >> i have a friend who is 6'4", long legs, and i found a 60cm hillborne i >> want to build him, but he thinks it's going to be too small. >> >> my other friend who is 6'1" was recommended a 60cm hillborne and still >> went with a 57cm, because he rode mine and liked it. so maybe they all fit >> larger than advertised? >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dad08dd1-2e92-4214-ae7d-2d86bafb5a9fn%40googlegroups.com.
