Those are too wide for the bike I guess, but you get the idea. On my current non-riv bike I can see that I could run bigger tires if the fender were flatter.
On Thursday, April 30, 2026 at 6:42:12 AM UTC-7 Dave White wrote: > Thanks for all the replies, very useful. > > Brent, Do you think you could go wider on the tires with a flatter fender > like the Honzos? > https://analogcycles.com/products/honjo-by-simworks-fender-h-95-flat-wide-700c-29in-width-65mm > > On Thursday, April 30, 2026 at 6:35:47 AM UTC-7 Brent Eastman wrote: > >> i have done a ton of wheel/tire/fender combos. >> >> the biggest i can do on my bike is 42mm with fenders (42 cava, 42 >> hurricane ridge, 40 wtb raddler) with no fenders i’ve gone as big as 50mm >> (soma cazadero) also liked the 47mm terevail rutland. i’ve used velo orange >> smooth 55 and zeppelin 52 fenders. both work great. >> >> On Apr 30, 2026, at 5:47 AM, Steve <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dave, I can't speak directly to the Appaloosa, but I do ride a Hillborne >> and a Platypus and have taken both on trails. Regarding long chain stays >> (my 2022 Platy's measure 505 mm vs the "25 Sam's at 455) -- yes, the long >> stays do make the ride a bit smoother over rough surfaces. The trade off is >> those longer chain stays combined with the Platy's slacker 69* head tube >> angle conspire to make it less nimble in tight, twisty situations, compared >> to the Sam. >> >> >> >> For context, I live in the Appalachians where trail riding - especially >> on a rigid bike - typically means dodging roots and rocks and negotiating >> tight switchbacks. Having said that, most of my riding is on National >> Forest fire roads and double track logging roads. Both bikes perform nicely >> in those settings, but if I'm planning to ride single track trails I'll >> grab the Hillborne (or more likely my Ritchey Outback with 48mm knobbies) >> >> Steve in AVL >> On Thursday, April 30, 2026 at 1:51:47 AM UTC-4 Brent Eastman wrote: >> >>> sam is awesome on trails. >>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2026 at 11:55:51 AM UTC-7 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> I ride a romanceur with drops, an appaloosa with drops and an atlantis >>>> with flat bars. I have not ridden a Sam. >>>> >>>> Romanceur works fine on singletrack with both 650b with 2.1 tires >>>> (before) and 700c with 38mm tires (currently). >>>> >>>> Appaloosa is on 48mm knobbies. It does feel a little more smooth and >>>> stable on the same singletrack, but the romanceur is still fun to ride. I >>>> guess I feel a little less "confident" on the romanceur but not to the >>>> point where I don't ride those trails. >>>> >>>> The atlantis (2005 or so) has 38mm knobbies on front and 38mm file >>>> tread on back with 800mm mtb handlebars. Does the same single track and >>>> feels great. >>>> >>>> The sub 40mm tires bury in the sand sometimes. >>>> >>>> But all three bikes can do smooth single track and pick through rocks. >>>> Caveat: I mostly ride in ft ord which is smooth packed sand with very few >>>> roots or rock gardens. >>>> >>>> Point is, any of these bikes work fine and you would get used to any of >>>> them. Maybe just think about what riding you're doing most of the ride and >>>> most of the time. >>>> >>>> And a mtb would work better on single track than any of these, if >>>> you're really keen on trails!!! >>>> >>>> - gabe >>>> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry, the smartphone with the little keyboard and a >>>> big heart. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2026, 10:36 'Dave White' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would love to hear from people who have ridden fairly recent >>>>> versions of both the Sam and Appaloosa/Atlantis on trails (lumping those >>>>> together because they seem interchangeable). Besides the difference in >>>>> tire >>>>> clearance, how much more trail worthy is the Appaloosa than the Sam? I >>>>> have >>>>> to say I like the appearance of the shorter chain-stays on the Sam >>>>> better. >>>>> But do the long stays of the Appaloosa make the ride that much smoother? >>>>> The slightly slacker head angle seems like it might matter even more than >>>>> the rear of the bike. 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