regarding b17 vs. berthoud touring... are the rails longer on the berthoud...or just as short as on the b17?
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud > because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > > JimP > > Jim: > > Berthoud is definitely a company very much in the French tradition - > small, family run, not necessarily concerned about being the biggest > or fastest to market. at least in my opinion anyway, they make nice > stuff. > > The Berthoud saddle does not look all that much like Ideale the > classic French saddle I and some other posters mention. It is a > unique design whether that means it is uniquely French, I could not > say. > > > On Jan 7, 12:24 pm, jim phillips <thefamil...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud > because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? > > > > JimP > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > > > From: leec...@gmail.com > > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > > > > Joel and Clayton: > > > > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > > > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > > > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > > > Apsin? > > > > > Thanks, > > > Lee > > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt > through > > > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud > touring > > > > saddle. > > > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is > a > > > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot > firmer. I did > > > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the > end I > > > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only > started > > > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and > distracting > > > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame > of the > > > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a > 100 > > > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and > I get > > > > more used to eachother. > > > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle > for 60 > > > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > > > Best, > > > > Clayton Scott > > > > SF, CA > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> > wrote: > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral > wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend > to > > > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and > copy > > > > > that model? > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or > stored in > > > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work > as > > > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and > didn't > > > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral > wide > > > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com><rbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib > e...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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