On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 06:48 -0700, David Spranger wrote:
> Installed that same rack on my wife's Betty Foy without too much
> issue. However, I experienced the same type of frustrations as you
> when I installed a VO Randonneur rack on my Rambouillet. Looks great
> now, but it is never coming off again. I also installed this same rack
> on a VO frame for a friend. It was not as difficult, but not as easy
> as I would have expected being that it was designed with VO frames in
> mind. I think the welded on tang is just not the best way to do this. 

I have one on my Johnny Coast-built VO Randonneur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157606169015639/show/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/2669029666/in/set-72157606169015639

It took several hours to install, and I learned a lot about working with
stainless steel I never knew.  I had no idea ordinary hacksaws and
drills would make no impression on the stainless steel other than to
polish it, and it literally took over an hour to cut the tang and
another hour to drill it.  I also had to bend, and then re-bend, the
tang.

It came at a great time: it was Monday, and I'd retired the Friday
previous.  It did a lot to keep my mind off things.  Totally involving,
and at the time, a great blessing.  Pain in the rear?  Not really; just
not even slightly "plug and play."  As I said earlier, it's a
constructeur rack and you get to be the constructeur.

As for "it's made for this frame so it ought to fit," a friend of mine
has a small size production VO Randonneur.  She had the rack installed
at her LBS, and it didn't fit.  Took it to VO, and they had at it; had
to cut the tang off entirely to get it to fit.  

You have to remember, this is not a custom rack.  It's a production rack
and as such a compromise that can be made to fit most of these frames
really well, once you get done working it over.  It doesn't fit all of
them equally well, and in the case of the really small sizes, the tang
doesn't fit at all.

Still, the VO Randonneur front rack is $80, $55 on sale right now.  A
custom rack like the one on my MAP is $375.  That rack was built to fit
my frame, and it fits as well as the paint on the frame.  The builder
did all the work, and it's perfect in every way.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/5979212331/in/set-72157627155309179
No hassle of any kind, but 5 - 7 times the price and it's available only
with the frame.

I'll bet the Rack Lady could build an equally perfect front handlebar
rack for your frame; she did a spectacular job with the porteur rack for
my P/R shopper.  But, it took several months and I had to send her the
fork, and the cost will be comparable to the MAP custom rack.

If you have a bike that will fit the Nitto rack, it's an obvious choice.
The Gilles Berthoud rack is another fine choice; I had one of those on
my Saluki for several years.  It's heavier than a custom rack, but at
$150 it's about half the cost (and about twice the price of the VO
rack).



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