> And the internal hubs I've used have
> been MORE trouble than a derailleur setup.

Agreed.  IGH have their fans and many benefits.

But at least as of 3 years back when I sold my OEM Rolhoff bike, they
were more complicated than necessary for daily commuting in Chicago
and touring in the relatively flat Midwest.  Might make more sense in
the Bay area with so many ups and downs.

On Dec 6, 12:42 am, Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I expected a steel tube handle instead of a strap, myself.
>
> Drat! I thought the seat tube looked extremely slack, but Photoshop
> tells me it's a dead-on 72 degrees. Personally, I'm not holding my
> breath for an IGH Rivendell bike. It would be a little like Grant
> suddenly rolling low-trail forks. And the internal hubs I've used have
> been MORE trouble than a derailleur setup. My wife's Belleville is, so
> far, the lone exception, being equally no-trouble-at-all as a
> derailleured bike.
>
> The midstays kind of freak me out, going everywhichaway. But... the
> left stay is well situated to brace the (minimal) forces of a coaster
> brake reaction arm... but, there's a cable stop on the top tube, which
> can only be ("most likely is") for a rear brake. And you know what's
> cool? The diagatube doesn't even rate a mention.
>
> I'm really enjoying this. If I'd pledged $1500, I might be a little
> antsy. :^)
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
> On Dec 5, 1:52 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
>
>
>
> <thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
> > D-shaped braze-ons have to be anchor points for a carrying strap -- see 
> > Grant's Atlantis in the Staph Bikes post, which has one made of what looks 
> > like rim tape.
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard
> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:32 PM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [RBW] Odd New Bike (HS)
>
> > It exists, I am bewildered. I can't figure out the reason for the 
> > assymetrical diagatubes in the rear triangle, or what those D-shaped 
> > braze-ons are for. Discuss, people who discuss things.
>
> >http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/13791776081/odd-new-bike-p-2
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