I had a problem with it under certain conditions, like if I got clumsy and 
leaned all my weight on the ends of the bars.  I wasn't too surprised. 
The sweep on those bars creates a lot of leverage.  I have retightened them 
a couple of times.  The last time, I increased the leverage of the Allen 
wrench by using a steel tube over it to give me 2 feet of additional 
leverage.  I was able to ease another 1/2 turn to the bolt beyond what I 
could by hand.  I doubt that I will have any other problem.  Like I said, I 
wasn't surprised those bars create a lot of leverage and simply need to be 
tightened more than others. The comfort is well worth the extra turn of a 
wrench.   If I was worried about it, I would go to the Bullmoose.

Marc

On Monday, June 18, 2012 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>
> I haven't ridden alot with them, anyone experience this first hand? I did 
> have them on my AHH for about 30 miles before I sold it and I am at 250lbs, 
> not experience any issues personally. 
> On Jun 18, 2012 6:32 PM, "Rivendell" <j...@rivbike.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bosco Bar Buyer-Rider,
>>
>> We’ve ridden our own Bosco bars cruising on smooth roads and bouncing 
>> down bumpy trails without incident, but two riders have complained that 
>> their bar slips in the stem, and that’s what this letter is about.
>> We don’t want, and NITTO especially doesn’t want any faint whiff of a 
>> problem, and so want to call this to your attention, and offer some options 
>> going forward.
>>
>> Option 1: Return the bar for replacement (you’ll have to wait a bit).
>> .
>> Being riders and bike-workers ourselves, of course we know that it’s not 
>> a simple matter of boxing up the bar. You may have to strip stuff off the 
>> bar; maybe even cork grips. You may have paid a local guy to rig up your 
>> bars, and now you’ll have to do that again. There’s a limit to the 
>> complication, but even minimally, it is not nothing. We recognize that and 
>> will compensate you a way that seems fair to us.
>>
>> If you want a new bar and can wait a month or six weeks for it, do this:
>>
>> 1.      Send us back your bar. We’re not going to send you a box or 
>> packing material; you’re going to have to do that part yourself. You pay 
>> the freight, but before you let your blood boil, read further and see how 
>> we’ll compensate you.
>> (Alternatively, send us a digital image of the bars sawed in half. This 
>> would be a shame, since the bars are still super, but it’s an option, and 
>> no points off for taking it.)
>> 2.      When we get the new Bosco bars in, we’ll replace them. It may be 
>> a month. It may be six weeks. It may be less than that, but give us up to 6 
>> weeks before calling, please.
>> 3.      If you also bought and glued on cork grips, we’ll replace them. 
>> Other grips will likely be removable without destroying them.
>> 4.      For your trouble and our own penalty, we’ll offer you a $70 
>> credit on your account.
>>
>>
>> Option 2: Refund (not much waiting)
>>  Want to go this way? Send us the bar. We’ll refund you with a check or 
>> credit. If you want a check, we’ll make it for $20 more than your purchase 
>> price. If you want a credit, we’ll make it for $40 more than your purchase 
>> price.
>>
>> Option 3: Keeping it.
>> Since there is nothing defective about the bar, and it’s simply a matter 
>> of slight slippage if it’s not tight enough and you come down on the grips 
>> hard, this is a viable option. And it’s not a dangerous one. The bars are 
>> strong. If you ride heavy and lean hard and bouncy on the bars AND don’t 
>> snug them enough, the bar may move. Big deal---you loosen it, re-set the 
>> angle, and snug ‘er up again.
>>
>> The thing with bicycles and mechanics is that anybody with a wrench can 
>> get in the game. Some people are careful, some are the opposite. You learn 
>> not to break bolts by breaking or stripping a few, and you learn to tighten 
>> enough by not tightening enough. It’s really the only way. But IN the 
>> learning there is risk, and we want to eliminate as much of that as 
>> possible.
>>
>> You know yourself better than we know you. If you’ve greased the bar 
>> bulge or stem, we’d say wipe ‘em off. In the old days, and even in some 
>> books, the word was to grease  the connections. We don’t do that anymore, 
>> unless there’s a creak, and creaks are rare.
>>
>> There are about 80 Bosco bars out there now. Statistically, we expect 
>> five of the 80 customers to think our offer isn’t generous enough. We 
>> understand that ideally, we’d be able to make this happen for you while you 
>> slept or at ice cream; but that is impossible—and so we’ve come up with 
>> options that sound fair to us. If none sound fair to you, please contact us 
>> directly and let us know what we can do, and we’ll try again.
>>
>> We’d like to wrap this up soon, so we’re asking you to respond by June 25.
>> But why not now? Think it over. All options are winners. If you delay, 
>> you may forget.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you choose to send back a bar for cash or credit send to
>>
>> BOSCO RUBBE
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works
>> 2040 N. Main St. #19
>> Walnut Creek, Ca 94596
>>
>> Include your name and if possible invoice number from your bosco order. 
>> Please also write a note explaining which option you’d like and any other 
>> pertinent info.
>>
>> Also include your shipping address. There will be no invoices, just 
>> sticking labels on the boxes.
>>
>> Please send responses to j...@rivbike.com.
>>
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