One carbon fiber bike that might be interesting to try are Volagi bikes. They started making steel versions of their bikes too.
Their target users are long distance riders. I think they will run 28mm tires with fenders and are more upright than pure racing bikes. I would still prefer wider tires. Toshi On 8/23/12, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > I forgot to include: has anyone ridden a CF bike that handles much > like Rivendells, as described below? If so, are there any advantages > to the CF bike over Rivendells? We know there are certainly > disadvantages. > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Kelly: thanks, very interesting comparison. My own experience of >> Rivendells' handling -- including that of the Sam HIll, which I >> didn't, overall, like well enough to keep -- is exactly this supremely >> confident, fast cornering combined with an almost "intuitive" >> (cliche', I know) willingness to go where you want them to. And your >> remarks about the CF ride supports what others say: that unless you >> are going to ride them very agressively, they are not really >> rewarding. >> >> Patrick "wish I could average 22 mph over 160 miles" Moore >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Kelly <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Patrick >>> >>> I road high end cf for ten years. Aggressive setup .. Mavic carbone >>> wheels etc... >>> My routine was 1000 miles early in season to get neck arms and arse ready >>> and to be comfy. >>> Wasn't very comfortable for first 500 or so. >>> >>> Was a sweet ride at 65 mph coming down off veil pass. Had nice high end >>> wobble on one frame in turn at just over 55 mph in Boulder ... Road RAIN >>> 160 miles one way one day on it..seemed nice and finished just over 22 >>> mph average. >>> >>> Road average of 10 to 12 centuries per year. >>> >>> I would avoid many roads as they were to rough ... Hated concrete roads, >>> and had numerous flats tooling around town. Broke axles, handlebars, >>> seat posts, and frame.. Then had to replace a frame after impact on roof >>> rack. Manufacter indicated it could last forever or fail thus said not >>> to ride it. >>> >>> Fast sprint bike and great for the 30 mile rides... >>> >>> I was always looking to get the ride over with. Never got on the bike to >>> meander through the park. Burned out on going all out all the time .. It >>> was fun for a long time.... So was my two seater Jensen Healy ... But >>> just as I'll never go back to the Jenson, I'll also never be stuck with >>> just a cf bike. Today I get on my bike for short rides turned long... >>> Long rides turned short.. On just about any clothing and the roads I >>> though were rough are actually pretty smooth. >>> >>> My AHH may be slower, and I miss some of the sprints, and even the bar to >>> bar shoulder to shoulder banging all out major crash waiting to happen >>> riding... On occasion .. >>> Until I get on that sweet quick, smooth, fast downhill corner hugging >>> AHH. And I don't need all those miles to be comfy.. Just get on the >>> thing. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5155759637/in/set-72157625210417815 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:28:33 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >>>> http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/brookline/2012/08/on_biking_just_ride_urges_less.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 8/15. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Petersen says professional bike racing has corrupted a beautiful >>>> >>>> thing." -- There is some truth to that, with racing driving recent >>>> >>>> hyperactive hard-sell marketing, but man, old, steel racing bikes from >>>> >>>> the '60s through the early '80s? Some of those were wonderful bikes! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you ride a modern carbon fiber bike in other than full race mode? >>>> >>>> In other words: I've read several reviews of CF race bikes that >>>> >>>> describe them as unrewarding to ride except at high power. Are all CF >>>> >>>> racing bikes -- or, tout court, bikes -- like this? (I realize that >>>> >>>> that is a matter of design, no material.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone ride and really like a CF bike? I'd be curious to learn >>>> >>>> about it: make, model, setup, ride qualities -- handling, comfort, >>>> >>>> acceleration and so forth. I do know they are fun to heft -- remember >>>> >>>> hefting a ~12 lb Calfee fixie! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "When in Rome, do as they done in Milledgeville." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Flannery O'Connor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------- >>>> >>>> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA >>>> >>>> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW >>>> >>>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------- >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oG4tKfxT6ZUJ. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "Believe nothing until it has been officially denied." >> -- Claude Cockburn >> >> ------------------------- >> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA >> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> ------------------------- > > > > -- > "Believe nothing until it has been officially denied." > -- Claude Cockburn > > ------------------------- > Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA > For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > ------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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