I’ve also spent many hundreds of dollars (at least) on Bridgestones, 
Univegas, Miyatas and hybrid Bianchis not buying a Rivendell. I’ve been *almost 
*satisfied but still wanted the real thing.

I finally decided to take the plunge and am picking up a new 56cm 650B H. 
Homer Hilsen frame set. It’s one of the last single tube Toyo’s. Looking to 
put this together within as tight a budget as reasonably possible but am 
certainly excited about spring’s imminent arrival here with a new bike.

David

On Friday, March 1, 2013 3:14:16 AM UTC-5, Tonester wrote:
>
> I was fortunate enough to get an Atlantis as a gift, but I can tell you I 
> spent hundreds (thousands, perhaps) of dollars NOT buying a Rivendell. 
>  Treks, Miyatas, blah blah blah.  I did the same with my Aerostich 
> motorcycle suit - instead of just biting the bullet and spending the $700+ 
> I bought countless replicas and half measures, only to finally just give up 
> and eat ramen for a couple of months and buying the real deal - which is 
> still with me ten years later.  All the other stuff is long gone.  
>
> If a Riv is what you want, no other scratch will cure that itch.  Do it!
>
> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:36:55 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Gernot's got the right idea.  Instead of us trying to figure out how 
>> Rivendell can give us "low priced lugged bikes", we need to figure out how 
>> to organize our resources, expenses & priorities to afford a Rivendell.  I 
>> really truly believe Grant & Co are doing the best they can to deliver a 
>> quality, uncompromised product at a fair price.  Somehow people justify 
>> cars costing 10X a Rivendell ("it's only monthly payments").  The bike will 
>> be a pleasure to own long after the car is on the scrap heap.  
>>
>> When I bought my Atlantis 10 years ago, it cost 3X what I'd paid for the 
>> most expensive bike I'd bought to date.  However, I told myself I could 
>> screw around with compromises for the rest of my life or just get what I 
>> wanted & enjoy it for decades.  We're about to start our second decade 
>> together.  
>>
>> Where there's sufficient will, there is a way.  I think Rivendell has 
>> done their part.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:08:04 AM UTC-8, Earl Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is how to get a budget Riv now (other than waiting for a used deal, 
>>> which could also take a while):
>>>
>>> Get yourself a zero % interest credit card. Get a Sam or Betty now 
>>> before the price goes up (get the unpainted head tube if still available in 
>>> your size). Set up automatic payments so that you pay off the frame before 
>>> the interest kicks in. Find a bargain older bike on Craig's List that has a 
>>> suitable selection of parts. Move the parts over (650B wheels will be a 
>>> problem, though). Scrounge for the rest (long reach brakes and wheels) here 
>>> on the RBW list and the iBob list. 
>>>
>>> The $400 you could save in a budget frame is a pittance even on a budget 
>>> if spread out over a year. Commit to cooking for your family instead of 
>>> going out to eat, do without cable, stop drinking beer and wine for a year, 
>>> or juice (it's not that healthy, anyway), whatever. Or ride your new bike 
>>> everywhere if you are now driving a car. Sell the car, buy a trailer for 
>>> the kids, or a front mounted and rear mounted child seat. There are ways to 
>>> save $40 a month if you are working and living in the US. I waited for 
>>> years before buying a Riv because they seemed so extravagant. Buying the 
>>> original Sam at $1000 in 2009 felt like a super-splurge bordering on the 
>>> irresponsible, but I bit the bullet because it was half of the other Rivs. 
>>> I wish I hadn't waited so long.
>>>
>>> Hope I don't sound preachy, and perhaps your finances are more dire than 
>>> mine are/were (maxed out credit cards?), but most employed folk in the US 
>>> can afford a Sam, especially if it can replace car trips some of the time. 
>>> It's mostly a matter of priorities, and perhaps overcoming fear. 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gernot
>>>
>>> PS: Moving to a cheaper country doesn't hurt. :)
>>>
>>> GH in Thailand without a car with a 2.5 year old and an 8 month old, 
>>> wife's student loans finally paid off a year ago. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36:21 AM UTC+7, murphyjrfk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I love all the answers. And the what not.  But I suppose I forgot to 
>>>> mention I don't care if the bike they come out with didn't have lugs was a 
>>>> mixte with gray primer as pain t and not a single decal.  I'm not tall so 
>>>> generally ride a 52 give or take and the thing that drives me crazy is you 
>>>> can't buy a smaller bike with a shallow seat tube.  Even the lht-which I 
>>>> have and like well enough-has a 74 degree seat tube.  And man I love 
>>>> shallow seat tubes. My wife and I have mountains o' student loans and 
>>>> small 
>>>> children so even when there is enough money I can't justify it.  But man 
>>>> do 
>>>> I want the GP sweetness regardless o' what it looks like! 
>>>>
>>>>  this group is the best.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:58:02 AM UTC-5, murphyjrfk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does any one know if the budget riv is still being considered planned 
>>>>> anything? I hope so. And sooner rather than later.
>>>>
>>>>

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