Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely 
weird.  I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design 
flaw. 

(And just to restate it, we're talking about chainsuck with the chain not 
letting go of the chainring from the 6 o'clock position, and climbing up 
into the chainstay from below.  Not simply jumping off the ring during a 
shift.)

On the other hand, it may have something to do with where the bottom 
bracket is with respect to the shifty bits...

Most mtb's have reasonably high bottom brackets - certainly when compared 
to the RBW designs.  And Grant's bikes have lengthy chainstays.  Combine 
that with wide range gearing and you probably end up with a bit more slack 
and less tension in the drivetrain.  So, you are coming from a "lower" 
point, which could wrap an extra tooth or two.  With no chain tension 
drawing the chain towards the derailleur, you start wrapping things up.  
It's less than a 1/4 turn of the cranks, so it can happen fast. 

Any "sharkfinning" on the chainring would of course exacerbate that.

Pure, unadulterated conjecture on my part.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:54:11 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>
> >I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it 
> ;)<
>
> I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique.  I 
> have triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced 
> chain suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting worn 
> chainrings, cog sets, or chains.  Sometimes those components are new.  I 
> have doubles on my other road bikes, and they've never experienced chain 
> suck.  
>
> I've switched gears in every conceivable situation, high load, low load, 
> wrong direction, right direction, while double shifting, or single 
> shifting--no chain suck ever.  I've snapped chains while mountain biking 
> due to bad shift choices, but I've never experienced chain suck.  However, 
> while riding my Rivendell on its maiden voyage, I experienced chain suck 
> during a low load shift while riding downhill.  Based on all the damaged 
> chain stays I see in pictures of used Rivendells, it appears to be a common 
> problem.
>
> That's been my experience.  I'd welcome a commercially available device to 
> prevent chain suck on my Rivendell.  Perhaps they should be standard 
> equipment?
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
>> experienced "chain suck" .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
>> guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  
>>
>
> On Friday, March 8, 2013 8:05:20 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've been riding triples since the early 80's ... never once have I 
>> experienced "chain suck" .   I keep my FD perfectly tuned however, and I 
>> guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;)  
>>
>

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