Agreed, with one exception.  I found the doubled stress on our tandem made 
shifting rings significantly more difficult and have gotten much better 
performance from pinned rings.  Also I am pretty fussy about rings and 
usually order hi end sugino.  They look good, shift well & wear well.  As 
for shiny.... well I ride through a fair bit of dirt & muck.  Need to clean 
regularly.

Michael

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:22:15 AM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> Do you recall the cost of the steel Surly ring?  
>
> When you compare the cost of plain flat aluminum to comparable rings with 
> ramps'n'pins there seems to be quite a premium for the extra goodies.  
> Perhaps helpful with STI or similar but with friction the basic version 
> works fine for 10-12 tooth differences.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2013 8:33:45 PM UTC-7, MobileBill wrote:
>>
>> After chewing up one alum alloy chainring _ the middle 36-tooth one _ I 
>> decided to go with Surly steel, and there are no downsides and maybe some 
>> real advantages. It's got 5 thousand miles on it and looks shiny as the day 
>> it was born. Of course, no noticeable wear. No shifting pins and ramps and 
>> that kind of yaya, but neither do vuelta or most other replacement rings. 
>> How does that affect shifting? It's a front derailleur (for pete's sake). I 
>> can't imagine why I would care if the shifting were 'easier" (supposing it 
>> could be)? And in your case, it's the big ring on the front derailleur _ 
>> how much difference would ramps and pins make in that situation? With a 
>> friction shifting system, the pinless rampless systems might even be 
>> preferable. Short is, I got no problems shifting, and would probably get 
>> all surly steel, if I could only wear the other two rings out.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:53:47 PM UTC-5, Arthur Lewy wrote:
>>>
>>> I run a 44t outer on my XD double which needs replacing and RBW no 
>>> longer carries them.  Recommendations for sources?  Has anyone tried a 
>>> Surly steel chainring for 2x or 3x use? I wonder how front shifting would 
>>> work.  Thx all in advance. 
>>>
>>> Art Lewy 
>>> Seattle 
>>> Green Ramb 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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