Patrick, you might want to look at the NOS Triomphe shifters Boulder is 
selling for $22.  They're striking and work well.  

On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:46:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> More on indexing: If I find a pair of Simplex retrofrictions for very 
> cheap, I'll probably abandon the "DA Group" fetish and go back to friction.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> # flats/100 miles: it can vary with my routes; In a good week, none or 
>> perhaps just one. In a bad week with the Parigi Roubaix before Stan's, 
>> seven or more.
>>
>> I went through ~100 patches between Jan 1 and mid May of this year, 
>> though this usage included a spate of flats due to a thorn or thorns hidden 
>> in one of the P-R's carcase for a total of some 20 patches applied over the 
>> course of a weekend. I recently bought 2 boxes of 100, with the hope that 
>> they'll last me a couple of years.
>>
>> Indexing: I don't think that the shifters or derailleurs are worn; they 
>> feel "tight" to me and they work well enough. The reason for sticking to it 
>> is pure aesthetics or vanity or what have you: I got a 7400 rd and matching 
>> dt shifters and dammit, I want them to work and, perhaps, eventually to 
>> have an all Dura Ace 7400 group.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Scott Henry <ske...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> Sorry for the late reply, but I try not to do much computing on the 
>>> weekends.
>>>
>>> Just two comments, one, how many flats do you normally get in 100 miles? 
>>>   Actually, I use Stan's on a few of my bikes and love it.   Haven't had 
>>> any problems yet.  At all.    Secondly, I can understand your issues with 
>>> your DuraAce setup.  Stick with it.  But jeez, if you haven't used index in 
>>> 20+ years, why would you stick with the same indexing that's 20+ years worn?
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride.
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Scott Henry
>>> Dayton, OH
>>>
>>> FTM-PTB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
>>> <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I've been riding the Ram/Parigi Roubaix and ya know what? No 
>>>> flats in a hundred miles!
>>>>
>>>> In other news: the Ram feels really nice -- as good as my customs. I 
>>>> continue to tweak the saddle-bar-height relationship -- we're looking at 
>>>> about 1" difference right now, and that could decrease -- but with our 
>>>> warm 
>>>> weather winds I've been riding recently 8 miles at a stretch into 
>>>> headwinds 
>>>> and it feels quite good. I use no gloves, but the very sensitive heel of 
>>>> my 
>>>> left hand is surprisingly comfortable. I may have to raise the brake 
>>>> bodies 
>>>> a wee bit on the bar's curve.
>>>>
>>>> I think I've got the saddle where it needs to be -- perhaps a wee bit 
>>>> too high, but the position is the wonderful (and on some bikes, elusive) 
>>>> perfect spot where you feel you are perfectly far behind the bb so that 
>>>> there is no awkwardness  either while spinning fast or while torquing hard 
>>>> to gain momentum. 
>>>>
>>>> The 7-speed Dura Ace system, in indexed mode, requires an annoying fine 
>>>> tune between over- and under-shifting: reminds me why I've not used 
>>>> indexing for 20+ years until now -- hell, even derailleurs are newish. I 
>>>> use it now because, dammit, I have a 7400 indexing system and it *will* 
>>>> work for me. There is a very mild rattle once a crank rotation that must 
>>>> come from the rear derailleur because it's not from the front; but it's 
>>>> mild enough that I attribute it to default derailleur behavior and not the 
>>>> indexing.
>>>>
>>>> I find that, unladen, the Ram cruises nicely in the 74" gear and that 
>>>> the 70" gear feels "light", proof to me of pedaling efficiency, something 
>>>> I 
>>>> don't find with every bike. With some bikes, ~75" feels overgeared. I 
>>>> assume this has to do with very many things, but perhaps among them are 
>>>> the 
>>>> tires and the fit/position. 
>>>>
>>>> Funny, I tend to do most of my riding in the 16-17-18 range: 74", 70", 
>>>> and 66", with a drop to 60" for steeper uphills. 
>>>>
>>>> The Ram has carried up to 47 lb in the rear (Fly) with just a bit of 
>>>> stress, and it handles rear loads of 35 lb without any qualms. Overall, 
>>>> for 
>>>> me, that very nice combination of unladen spriteliness and rear load 
>>>> capacity. I managed to bust one of the "Y" struts holding the single rack 
>>>> strut to the seatstay braze ons, so I scavenged another single strut from 
>>>> the Logo to replace it as shown. The other seatstay braze on can hold a 
>>>> bracket for a rear light.
>>>>
>>>> I think I'm going to convert it into a fixed gear (though that will 
>>>> mean Dremeling off the shifter braze-ons and the derailleur hangar).
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Moore (That last sentence is just to get a rise out of Steve.)
>>>>
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