I thought they were the same width, within 2mm

On Friday, July 12, 2013 2:17:51 PM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Saddle is creaking so I called S-A. They very generously offered me a 
> discounted price for a new one, which I happily accepted. It's on back 
> order now which is fine with me. They suggested I try their new Truleather 
> this time, which is apparently longer lasting but less waterproof. I'll 
> report back here when I get a few miles in on it.
>
> I briefly considered going back to Brooks B17 instead, and I realized 
> something. I had always thought the B17 could be a bit wider for me. The 
> S-A is 10mm less wide than the Brooks but it feels just right to me. 
> Clearly there is another factor besides width at play. In any case the S-A 
> fits me and I will be happy to have a new one. 
>
> The broken one was getting close to the end of its tension screw anyway, 
> after too short a time (18 months). Hopefully the new (and improved) one 
> will last longer.
>
> Jay
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 5:17:36 PM UTC+3, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I am glad you are OK and all injuries were minor. I second Ron's input 
>> that the saddle is shot. On a possible lessons to learn note -- have you 
>> practiced your emergency hard stop lately? Per Sheldon:
>>
>> "Jobst Brandt has a quite plausible theory that the typical 
>> "over-the-bars" crash is caused, not so much by braking too hard, but by 
>> braking hard without using the rider's arms to brace against the 
>> deceleration: The bike stops, the rider keeps going until the rider's 
>> thighs bump into the handlebars, and the bike, which is no longer 
>> supporting the weight of the rider, flips."
>>
>> "It is important to use your arms to brace yourself securely during hard 
>> braking, to prevent this. Indeed, good technique involves moving back on 
>> your saddle as far as you can comfortably go, to keep the center of gravity 
>> as far back as possible. This applies whether you are using the front, rear 
>> or both brakes."
>> http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
>>
>> I've done a hard stop on a loose gravel hill (unridable section suddenly 
>> appeared where it had looked rideable) with a rear heavy touring load and 
>> while I didn't flip, the rear of the bike ended up in front and I was 
>> laughing so hard I couldn't stop for five minutes.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:58:00 PM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> I did an endo on my Sam a few weeks ago, described below if anyone is 
>>> interested.
>>> Saddle is Selle Anatomica mounted on a VO 2-bolt seatpost with lots of 
>>> setback.
>>> The rails of the saddle got pretty bent but I was able to readjust the 
>>> angles and position to where I like it.
>>> There is a bit of up and down play if I push the back of the saddle with 
>>> my hand, but for all I know it was always like that.
>>> Is this OK or should I be looking for a new saddle?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> Circumstances of endo, if anyone is interested:
>>> 1. Infrastructure - 2 way bike lane next to a fast interurban road, 1 
>>> lane in each direction, clearly marked with freshly painted bikes and 
>>> arrows every 100 feet or so
>>> 2. Me - Downhill in the correct lane at 25 mph on my Sam. 2nd day with 
>>> the Albas and proper levers for v-brakes which replaced the Tektro hack for 
>>> road bars and v-s
>>> 3. Obstacle - Some dude riding uphill straight at me in the wrong lane. 
>>> Guess he didn't understand the meaning of the freshly painted white arrows 
>>> every 100 feet?
>>> 4. Result - "hey" -> nothing, I move left, he moves right, I hit brakes 
>>> too hard and flip, collision avoided, me on pavement
>>> 5. Injuries - nothing major, I was a bit banged up and sore for a few 
>>> weeks after but after a short rest I rode the rest of the way to work and 
>>> cleaned up there
>>> Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no video of what must have been 
>>> a very impressive somersault.
>>>
>>

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