I'm not too interested in assuming a bunch of hypotheticals and 
conjecturing based on those assumptions. I was really just pointing out 
that 120 mm cassette hubs aren't terribly related to Rivendell bikes. That 
product is probably more appropriate for somebody who wants the benefits of 
a cassette on a 40-year-old frame. I concede that some Riv people are into 
40-year-old frames.

On Monday, September 23, 2013 12:47:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> Since you know the history as well as most people, let me ask your opinion 
> on a hypothetical:
>
> We both know Grant was an early low-Q-factor guy.  We both remember he 
> resisted going from 126 to 130 on the RB's, and resisted going from 130 to 
> 135 on the MBs.  He reluctantly went wider.  Rivendell pretty consistently 
> has said that anything more than 7 cogs in back is unnecessary, and is even 
> preferable if you want to use friction shifting.  
>
> So, the hypothetical is:  
>
> Assume 120mm, 126mm, 130mm and 135mm rear hubs were widely available at 
> all price and quality levels
> Assume all length cassette bodies were available for every number of rear 
> cassette cogs from 1 to 11 cogs 
> Assume cassette cogs were available to build all conceivable custom 
> combinations 
> Assume nice narrow Q-factor cranksets were available in singles doubles 
> and triples at all price points and quality levels
>
> If all those things were true, do you think Grant would be designing 
> almost exclusively 135mm (Roadeo=130) rear end bikes?  Or do you think 
> Grant would be saying that narrow Q-factor is valuable and you don't need 
> so many cogs?  Would Rivendell be selling a 2x5 tenspeed?  Or a 3x5 
> 15-speed?  I don't know for sure.  
>
> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:52:59 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, most Rivs are 130 or 135 mm!
>>
>> On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:17:47 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 
>>> and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing.  That's a pretty exciting 
>>> development for a lot of folks.  They have the cog sets as well.  I hope 
>>> the freewheel hoarders aren't angry about it.  
>>>
>>> If I understand the manufacturing relationships, we'll probably see 
>>> these hubs under a couple other labels as well
>>>
>>

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