Those are "cycling shorts" in the sense of "padded in crotch" shorts. Paul intends -- am I right? -- to make shorts in the pattern of street shorts but adapted for riding -- no gd padding, no stretch, no tight.
FWIW, I have several pairs of wool cycling shorts in the first sense of the term and I find them much more comfortable than tight, clingy, clammy lycra, but I hardly ever wear them -- street shorts -- of the right design! -- are far more convenient and the padding or abrasion-resisting shammy isn't needed on rides below 30 miles. Hell, on rides under 50 miles, as far as I can tell. Paul: please consider expanding, eventually, into rayon cycling jerseys. I can find nothing for hot weather that doesn't stink like a pig after 20 miles. I have a dozen Hawaiian shirts that are great for hot weather riding -- far better than seersucker, IMO -- whose only defect is that they flap like Old Glory in the gale and tempest of my passing. Perhaps a stretch, pullover rayon jersey, or even a button up cut long but slimmer; rear or front pockets in any case. (I haven't yet coughed up the $70 or so for that New Zealand jersey -- am waiting for winter markdowns.) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Shoji Takahashi <shoji.takaha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Awesome pics, Bill-- Keep scanning.... > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 12:50:24 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: >> >> Paul- >> >> Here are a couple of links to the photos of wool cycling shorts from the >> '70s. They are from slides I'm slowly scanning so the quality is somewhat >> iffy in some cases. >> >> >> The first one shows a pair inside out on the back of my bike, you can >> clearly see the real chamois which would be softened up overnight with >> chamois fat. >> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9604243962/in/set-72157630138429316 >> >> >> The next ones show a better shot of fit, they did have some nylon for >> stretch. >> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/7376786100/in/set-72157630138429316 >> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/9607325113/in/set-72157630138429316 >> >> >> The last link is to the whole Flickr set where you can see everyone >> wearing wool even through the desert at 105 degrees. >> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157630138429316/with/9607325113/ >> >> The merino wool mix of the shorts were extremely cool in the heat much >> more than the Lycra currently available. Also my tights were not to >> different from the Aussie wool ones offered by Riv except they had zipped >> ankles. >> >> You might want to take a look at the construction of some of the baggy >> mountain bike shorts currently available, many have ventilation built into >> the design by using a more loosely woven fabric. >> >> On Monday, September 23, 2013 10:18:20 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks to everyone for all your invaluable feedback, this has been a >>> very encouraging response for me to keep going with this project. >>> >>> Regarding material: >>> The main reason to use a wool blend vs. 100% wool has been that the wool >>> blends are lighter weight to deal with the warm weather here. Since these >>> will be made to order, the purchaser will have a choice in material, and >>> 100% wool could be an option. >>> Generally the blends seem lighter and less prickly than any 100% wool >>> I've seen available here, and still dry fast and resist odor. I know merino >>> could be the ideal 100% wool, but that would make this a much more expensive >>> product. >>> >>> Regarding the sit bone area: >>> I've been wondering what to do about the wear marks, and with this post >>> it seems clear that finding a solution to reinforce that area will be >>> necessary. Because one of the primary objectives are that the shorts look >>> smart, I'm avoiding the more popular synthetic materials for the short, and >>> also don't want to visibly add nylon. Wool seems to get "polished" by the >>> saddle as shown in the pictures. I am thinking with the next prototype, to >>> try adding elbow patches to the sit bone area. >>> >>> @Lee : What a great DIY photo set you put together; thanks for sharing >>> that. >>> >>> @Shoji : Yes, these have a gusseted crotch, unless we have different >>> understandings of what a guesseted crotch is - there is enough range of >>> movement for the toughest hike-a-bikes I've found here, enough to do yoga >>> even! >>> >>> @Deacon : I'd never come across worsted wool before - thanks I will look >>> into it. >>> >>> @bwphoto : I've never seen these old cycling shorts before. Would you >>> have a photo to share? These shorts seem to work just fine without a >>> chamois, so I am quite certain to keep them chamois-less, as that is pretty >>> much a feature with these! But I am curious about these shorts you used to >>> wear. >>> >>> @Patrick & Shoji : Great tip about plumbers crack, I will be sure to get >>> a high back into the next prototype. >>> >>> @Patrick : Thanks for giving me so much information. I'll look at adding >>> an additional rear pocket. You'll be glad to know that the front pockets are >>> deep. >>> >>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! 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