Good point, Andy.  I have yet to read conclusive evidence to prove one hub 
or light is clearly "best". But I think it's safe to say any decent hub 
generator / LED light combo is a wonderful thing, and will instantly (and 
greatly) enhance the riding experience by extending the hours and places 
one can ride.  

In fact, maybe we need to see a few "RIv Night Rallies"???  I've always 
wanted to do a dusk-to-dawn ride along some desolate route, but haven't 
pulled many all-nighters since college.  I am fortunate to live along a 
great rail-trail system on the Delaware River and having my own supply of 
path lighting (and nicely-spaced pubs along the route) makes for some 
excellent extended evening rides, especially in the Fall.

Peace,
Bobby 

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:56:52 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Michael: 
>
> Nothing is free; energy to run a light comes at a cost and just as the 
> stiffest frame may not be the best one, the brightest light may not be best 
> one either. 
>
> I have a SON hub and LUXOS B light on my commuter. 800 Lumens? No, but 
> putting what you have where it is needed and producing a more positive 
> result with the fewest negatives is worth lots of Lumens in trade. Drag? 
> Yes, you can feel it by turning the lifted wheel.
>
> But the amazing thing the specs don't indicate (Peter White gets close), 
> is how the darn thing feels faster at night with this hub generator and 
> light. It is the same effect as that first new bike you got when you were 
> 12; it is the coolest thing ever and when you see some of the undisciplined 
> light patterns of the retina burning lights out there you will appreciate 
> how "the most available" can be too much. Look at a photo of a flash-lit 
> subject that was light-washed  by the overwhelming illumination of the 
> flash? A fellow rider and commuter in my neighborhood, who rode Crush the 
> Commonwealth (Philadelphia to PIttsburgh, non-stop, non-competitive ride) 
> in under 37 hours, has more light on her bike and helmet than a German 
> sports car. Maybe good off-road in the pitch blackness but it washes out 
> the details I am happiest to see coming. She had to carry so many extra 
> proprietary batteries in that exercise that it probably was more 
> debilitating than a little hub drag.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:56:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What types are there?
>> Do they cause drag? Or have they overcome that with newer technology?
>>  
>> I want something that has zero drag if such a thing exists, and more than 
>> 800 lumens. Am I dreaming?
>>
>

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