Ah, but there's always room in nature for a mutation to occur once in a 
while... I just hope it would never be referred to as "Monster Cross"... 
(no offense, B)... no, this would have to be it's own species... like Gimli 
himself, a "badass dwarf"...

Wiith recklessness, 
BB 

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:43:04 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I love the passion and optimism!  That said, I'm going to go out on a limb 
> here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't 
> end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross.  LOL.  But who 
> knows?  Certainly not me.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like 
>> it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the 
>> Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the 
>> lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for 
>> snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps 
>> simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are 
>> good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be 
>> ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 
>> 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, and if you could only name it "Gimli"... I was thinking something 
>>> like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 
>>> inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea.  IF Grant 
>>> would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider 
>>> giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very 
>>> often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads 
>>> and make for an awesome ride...
>>>
>>> BB
>>>   
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3") bike 
>>>> with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so 
>>>> smallest 
>>>> chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my 
>>>> "fast" riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this 
>>>> miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a 
>>>>> bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the 
>>>>> Quickbeam and SimpleOne.  The impetus for this thread has branched from 
>>>>> Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - 
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in 
>>>>> which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the 
>>>>> project.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could 
>>>>> come to pass. No promises, of course.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the guidelines for this thread:
>>>>> - State clearly what you would like to see.
>>>>> - Give a specific reason why.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on 
>>>>> encouraging creative thought:
>>>>> - No negative comments.  If you think an idea is stupid, bite your 
>>>>> tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.  
>>>>> - No discussion about whether something would or would not work.  Each 
>>>>> idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.
>>>>>
>>>>> This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion.  If you have a 
>>>>> Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame 
>>>>> design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the 
>>>>> place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and 
>>>>> uncover hidden possibilities.  All of which or none of which might be 
>>>>> incorporated into the final design.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example - 
>>>>> I have an orange series.  It does not have seat stay threads for a 
>>>>> rear rack.  This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my 
>>>>> Hilsen and would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without 
>>>>> resorting 
>>>>> to P-Clamps.  (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.)
>>>>>
>>>>> - or - 
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it 
>>>>> optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? 
>>>>> Would 
>>>>> it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide 
>>>>> tires? 
>>>>> Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite "29er" mondo tire?
>>>>>
>>>>> OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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